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Old 11/14/07, 4:29 AM   #736
Yaelle
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Night Elf Druid
 
Arthas (EU)
Originally Posted by Boevis View Post
It's not, you need to create a separate macro, and it doesn't always work, (high lag and other cooldowns will leave you in caster) It's decent though, I managed 1300 DPS on archimonde on a wipe attempt (0 melee bursts and Fear Ward on my shaman made it a very melee friendly fight)
Does this mean, that using a health potion while tanking a boss isn't a good idea after all ?

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Old 11/14/07, 7:14 AM   #737
Deliverance
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Night Elf Druid
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Originally Posted by Yaelle View Post
Does this mean, that using a health potion while tanking a boss isn't a good idea after all ?
Too early to call, let's see how it works out in practice. The absolutely worst case is that we end up with a "don't do this unless you are pretty sure you'll die if you do not" situation, which, even if it means you occasionally die in the wrong form when trying to do it, is still better than the current situation.

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Old 11/14/07, 7:42 AM   #738
North101
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Zenedar (EU)
Originally Posted by Voldin View Post
Feral Druid DPS 2.3.0

- Fixed Rip damage to match the Wowwiki Data
- Fixed Double Dipping on Mangle Buff
- Improved the Import/Export Functionality
- Fixed (I hope) Dodge and expertise Calculations
- Updated AEP Values for Armor Pen and Expertise
- Added Pawn Export Strings
- Cosmetic Changes
I had a quick look through the spreadsheet and didn't notice anything about powershifting, is it assumed and if not would it be possible to add it?

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Old 11/14/07, 9:20 AM   #739
monstor
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Tauren Druid
 
The Forgotten Coast
I tried these macros, they worked perfectly fine and quite fast.


/cancel form
/use healing pot
/use health stone
/cast dire bear form

or /cast cat form

I've been playing around with the healing pot one, works quite nice and may be I'll try it while tanking Morogrim haha.


Also, dukes would you by any chance compare your old WWS with new reports as of this week and see how much of your dps has increased? What do you think about using the mangle idol for raiding? I know idol of terror is pretty much the best PvP idol since the proc rate seems just amazing.

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Old 11/14/07, 9:45 AM   #740
Valerian
King Hippo
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by Boevis View Post
It's not, you need to create a separate macro, and it doesn't always work, (high lag and other cooldowns will leave you in caster)
I've never had it fail unless it was my fault, i.e., hitting my powershift macro while I was still on GCD. Even in high lag I was always shifting immediately.

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Old 11/14/07, 10:21 AM   #741
Laith
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Night Elf Druid
 
Cho'gall
I have to say the hs macro for bear form is one of the most useful tools ive ever encountered. I used it to success at least three seperate occasions last night in my guilds hyjal run. They were times were I was below 500-1khp and successful used the macro and taken a hit right after which would have otherwise killed me. Also the powershifting macro is more then satisfactoy. Restating what was said above, the only times where it did not shift me back in IMMEADIATLY was when I was still currently inside a GCD. Ill have to try a modifier on my normal shift macros, currently I have a shapeshift cat macro and a powershifting one. Quick shifting between forms and instant casting abilities from caster or another form is also infinitely useful in terms of both pve and pvp!

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Old 11/14/07, 11:02 AM   #742
Phorage
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Night Elf Druid
 
Frostmane (EU)
Just finished Zul-Aman. What I can say is that swipe has been boosted greatly by the ap buff, crit for 550-600 in full tank gear on nonsundered mobs. I havent seen those numbers at all before.

Oh and primal man-cacher got renamed to staff of primal fury, which I didnt know of at least.

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Old 11/14/07, 12:05 PM   #743
Falk
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Regarding high ping and bear-last-stand, here you go. An instant 6k of HP with ~500 ping. Events close enough that the typical combat log shuffle actually gets the series of events wrong.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1...7173320ft0.jpg

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Old 11/14/07, 12:14 PM   #744
monstor
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The Forgotten Coast
Originally Posted by falkon2 View Post
Regarding high ping and bear-last-stand, here you go. An instant 6k of HP with ~500 ping. Events close enough that the typical combat log shuffle actually gets the series of events wrong.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1...7173320ft0.jpg
Sweet, are you using this macro?

/cancel form
/use healing pot
/use health stone
/cast dire bear form

BTW, thanks for the screenshot with time stamp :P

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Old 11/14/07, 12:26 PM   #745
dukes
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Dukes
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Originally Posted by monstor View Post
Also, dukes would you by any chance compare your old WWS with new reports as of this week and see how much of your dps has increased? What do you think about using the mangle idol for raiding? I know idol of terror is pretty much the best PvP idol since the proc rate seems just amazing.
1) DPS differences vary pretty hugely even on the same boss with the same gear, so I'm not sure how good a comparison could be made (I have parses from Teron which vary from around 1100 DPS to just over 1500 DPS with virtually identical gear just because of other stuff going on).
2) I quit raiding (well, playing in general as raiding was just about all I did) about 2 weeks ago, so I actually won't have any WWS's to compare.
3) The mangle idol seems pretty comparable/better than the other idols on offer as far as I can tell from all the theorycrafting thats gone on about it. The proc rate is around 85% with a non-refreshability (10 second cd) on it (I believe, that's the last I heard on it anyway). If you've gone for higher AP rather than crit, it's probably less worth it (you'll get less crits = less primal fury = longer between mangles/rips = less refreshing of the buff) but as long as you've gone the standard route of stacking agility it's probably pretty similar.

I'll be going through the main posts over the next couple of days and removing all the pre-2.3 stuff and updating whatever needs it for the new patch once it's clear what changes have been made (in case the patch notes/final PTR build/actual build aren't the same, which often happens).

I'll also be sticking in a macro's section to the main post, which will include the basics (cat powershift, bear healthstone/pot macro, additions in case you want a modifier for cat shifting to be on the same button as powershifting or whatever) but I'm open to suggestions as to extra ones to add.

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Old 11/14/07, 12:32 PM   #746
Brite
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Night Elf Druid
 
Lightbringer
I just picked up Bladeangel's Moneybelt last night.

If I already have the SSC craftable belt, how does this stack up? Considering so much of our damage is from crits, does the armor reduction make a big enough difference in our overall damage to sub out for AP boost? (subsequently would actually gain like .47% crit by switching to this belt, but might need to readjust for +hit/expertise.)

Thanks!

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Old 11/14/07, 12:38 PM   #747
Nazta
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Tauren Druid
 
Draenor (EU)
If you press your emergency macro, and it fails to put you back in bear. It probably isn't latency, but the fact that you are in a global cooldown.

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Old 11/14/07, 12:45 PM   #748
dukes
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Originally Posted by Brite View Post
I just picked up Bladeangel's Moneybelt last night.

If I already have the SSC craftable belt, how does this stack up? Considering so much of our damage is from crits, does the armor reduction make a big enough difference in our overall damage to sub out for AP boost? (subsequently would actually gain like .47% crit by switching to this belt, but might need to readjust for +hit/expertise.)

Thanks!
The [item ] and [/item ] tags are useful for item linking in this forum. ([Bladeangel's Money Belt]).

As for the belt:
Use The Druid Wiki » ToskksDPSGearMethod (or any of the other spreadsheets/things linked in the first posts)
- Put in stats
- Select waist slot
- Hit Generate
- ???
- Profit.

It doesn't help that you haven't specified which SSC craftable belt you have (I would assume Deep Shadow).

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Old 11/14/07, 1:20 PM   #749
Valerian
King Hippo
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Blackhand
Originally Posted by dukes View Post
The [item ] and [/item ] tags are useful for item linking in this forum. ([Bladeangel's Money Belt]).

As for the belt:
Use The Druid Wiki » ToskksDPSGearMethod (or any of the other spreadsheets/things linked in the first posts)
- Put in stats
- Select waist slot
- Hit Generate
- ???
- Profit.

It doesn't help that you haven't specified which SSC craftable belt you have (I would assume Deep Shadow).
Deep shadow is better than Bladeangel's by a fair bit, at the AP/crit levels where you have access to them.

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Old 11/14/07, 2:42 PM   #750
Brite
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Lightbringer
Originally Posted by dukes View Post
The [item ] and [/item ] tags are useful for item linking in this forum. ([Bladeangel's Money Belt]).

As for the belt:
Use The Druid Wiki » ToskksDPSGearMethod (or any of the other spreadsheets/things linked in the first posts)
- Put in stats
- Select waist slot
- Hit Generate
- ???
- Profit.

It doesn't help that you haven't specified which SSC craftable belt you have (I would assume Deep Shadow).
Aye, apologies, I do indeed have the [Belt of Deep Shadow].

I'll try to figure out the /item function later when I'm not at work and don't have to stealth post!

Thanks for the direction Dukes!

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