Feral Megathread - Page 53

Inaiwae · 11/16/07, 7:55 AM

Originally Posted by anathor

That's completely different - you can always deshift while stunned. I think what he means would be more like "if you're stunned in bear form and click rejuv, will the client deshift you even though you can't cast rejuv while stunned?"

However i deshifted by using /cast bear form command. So i guess if i use /cast rejuvenation it behaves the same.

As for potions, using a potion will not deshift you. So you need to have /cancelform command in the macro imo.

cowfields · 11/16/07, 8:08 AM

Originally Posted by Vandermonde

Yeah, essentially I'm wondering if the auto-deshift is contingent on the move you click being castable when you click it. If it is, and the auto-deshift is reliable, it seems like putting cancelform in your macros is a downright bad idea as opposed to simply unnecessary.

I realise this isn't technically feral, however last night in Treeform, when decursing someone, if a curse was present then I'd shift back to caster form and remove the curse. If there was no curse to dispell, I'd stay in treeform and get the "Nothing to dispel" message.

This would suggest that the auto-deshift is indeed contingent on the spell being castable, but I don't know if it's the same for all reasons for something being castable - in other words if you'll de-shift when stunned but won't if the spell is on cooldown etc.

Mijae · 11/16/07, 8:33 AM

Voldin, a few other spreadsheet issues I found:

Estimated hits per second for OoC and 2T4 are based on average attacks of 4 & 5 combo point finishers, but the energy usage only from the 5 point finisher. It's also based on chance of a hit, but it is using base crit combined with special hit (not specials crit).
It looks the "add dmg" for Ferocious Bite damage has both the mangle modifier applied as well as naturalist (also applied to end value). It also does not use an energy cost modified by misses like Rip does.

Pyth · 11/16/07, 9:19 AM

Originally Posted by Vandermonde

Yeah, essentially I'm wondering if the auto-deshift is contingent on the move you click being castable when you click it. If it is, and the auto-deshift is reliable, it seems like putting cancelform in your macros is a downright bad idea as opposed to simply unnecessary.

Yes, deshifting is contingent on the spell/action being usable when you click it, if you can't cast the spell(stunned/silenced) you won't deshift. Auto-deshifting does not happen for healthstones/mana potions/health potions etc. I haven't tested everything but it seems to be pretty much all "items" need a /cancelform macro and all spells will activate it automatically if the spell is castable. Basically there are only two reasons to use a /cancelform macro: 1. Reshifting - shifting from the same from to the same form to remove a snare/root or for an energy/rage boost from Furor; 2. Item Use - potions, stones, herbalism items, anything that is not a spell and does not activate the GCD will likely require a macro to deshift, use the item and shift back into the desired form.

• Caniki · 11/16/07, 9:20 AM

Originally Posted by anathor

One of the changes I like the most so far is to simply be able, when in one form, to click on another form in our "form bar" and switch immediatly to that form. The part I don't like is that you can't do it from flight form unless you are "on the ground".

Go into the Advanced Options, and put a checkmark in the box that allows you dismount while flying. Enjoy Rawrbombing.

Wara · 11/16/07, 9:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boevis

You do realize that just equals Gear Armor*1.1*5 + Agility*2

Sigh. I need more sleep.

onkl · 11/16/07, 9:51 AM

Why do you all put /cancelform in? WoW will do this automatically. If you hit the macro while GCD is up, you'll end in caster form.

Tuhalu · 11/16/07, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by onkl

Why do you all put /cancelform in? WoW will do this automatically. If you hit the macro while GCD is up, you'll end in caster form.

/console autoUnshift 0 disables that behaviour. A lot of the druids in this thread would rather not get instagibbed by clicking the wrong button while tanking, so they disable that behaviour.

david0925 · 11/16/07, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Vandermonde

If i screw up and hit a potion/healthstone macro that does not include the cancelform line (just relying on the automatic deshift from /use master healthstone) while not in control of my actions, will i deshift and die? Or will it recognize that I cannot use items before it tries to deshift me and do nothing?

Since you can cancelform even when you're not in control of your own actions. I think you're screwed either way in that scenario, with or without /cancelform

Valerian · 11/16/07, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by onkl

Why do you all put /cancelform in? WoW will do this automatically. If you hit the macro while GCD is up, you'll end in caster form.

You need cancelform to use potions or other items. It doesn't shift you out automatically for those (at least it didnt on tuesday). I couldn't Pot or bandage by just hitting those buttons without making a macro to do so.

Nisu · 11/16/07, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by droeber

Go into the Advanced Options, and put a checkmark in the box that allows you dismount while flying. Enjoy Rawrbombing.

Alternatively, make a macro for each form that has /cancelform before the /cast Form line, if you prefer to be safe and not dismount through a misclick on something.

monstor · 11/16/07, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Meddler

I believe you should be able to reduce the macro length by subbing in an item code instead of name?

For example:

#showtooltip
/cancelform [stance:1]
/use [nostance] (item:22829)
/use [nostance] Master Healthstone
/cast [nostance] Dire Bear Form
/stopmacro [nostance]
/cancelform [stance:3]
/use (item:22829)
/use Master Healthstone
/cast Cat Form

Won't be able to test this for a couple of days myself though so take this with a grain of salt.

Why are you making the macro so hard and confusing? It's simple as it gets:

/cancelform
/use Master Healthstone
/use Healing Potion
/cast Dire Bear Form

or for cat

/cancelform
/use Master Healthstone
/use Healing Potion
/cast Cat Form

Those macros work perfectly fine, assuming you haven't activated the GCD.

giansm · 11/16/07, 1:45 PM

The reason for the longer macro is that it is one keybind that works in both bear and cat form (the writer used stopmacro and bracket tests as a way of setting up a conditional block in a language that does not explicitly have that feature).

oldmandennis · 11/16/07, 2:31 PM

While its a neat macro that returns you to cat form, if I take a hit in cat form I'd personally rather go to bear and give the tank another couple of seconds to get the mob back. If you get hit once you are probably going to get hit again, and a dead cat does no DPS.

Deke · 11/16/07, 11:50 PM

Has anyone run any numbers on [Idol of Terror] yet for kitty form? I've already accepted as gospel, purely from using it, that it is massively superior to anything else available for bear form tanking, but having it proc so often in kitty even in a shred rotation has tempted me to keep using it for that as well.