Feral Megathread - Page 54

Kepharel · 11/17/07, 12:09 AM

Sorry to go off topic, but my guild leader won't believe me that stacking agility is better than stacking strength. I'm at 3136 AP right now with 39.61% crit. Is stacking agility would is more beneficial than strength?

Chosimu · 11/17/07, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Deke

Has anyone run any numbers on [Idol of Terror] yet for kitty form? I've already accepted as gospel, purely from using it, that it is massively superior to anything else available for bear form tanking, but having it proc so often in kitty even in a shred rotation has tempted me to keep using it for that as well.

I tried using this idol along with the ashtongue exalted trinket on this weeks Gorefiend (WWS) and changing my rotation to mangle first rip second, with a focus on keeping the mangle debuff up. My rotations weren't all perfect however it was an overall dps loss from pre 2.3 so I beleive using the shred idol and bloodlust brooch along with normal rotations will be better next week. The mangle first approach does however seem, on paper, to scale better with high enough crit rates that ensure <12 second cycles.

david0925 · 11/17/07, 2:20 AM

Originally Posted by Kepharel

Sorry to go off topic, but my guild leader won't believe me that stacking agility is better than stacking strength. I'm at 3136 AP right now with 39.61% crit. Is stacking agility would is more beneficial than strength?

Stacking agi would be better even if you're at 2k AP at this point

• frmorrison · 11/17/07, 3:11 AM

Originally Posted by Deke

Has anyone run any numbers on [Idol of Terror] yet for kitty form? I've already accepted as gospel, purely from using it, that it is massively superior to anything else available for bear form tanking, but having it proc so often in kitty even in a shred rotation has tempted me to keep using it for that as well.

It has been shown before, but the shred idol is over 500 attack power (to that one attack). It would take quite a bit of agility to beat 500 AP on the Feral's main raid attack. Note for soloing you may find Terror better.

Terror is the best tanking idol.

The Grog · 11/17/07, 4:32 AM

Originally Posted by Kepharel

Sorry to go off topic, but my guild leader won't believe me that stacking agility is better than stacking strength. I'm at 3136 AP right now with 39.61% crit. Is stacking agility would is more beneficial than strength?

He's an idiot, and probably a warrior.

ESPECIALLY now with the new HotW, Agi > Str point for point.

There is a crossover, but it's so low now that your gear would have to be abysmal to be under it at 70.

Deke · 11/17/07, 8:08 AM

Edit: Realised my math was way off for a number of reasons. My math is now telling me Everbloom works out to be about 50AEP better off (or around 30% better) even with rough figures. So uhm, go everbloom!

Pyros · 11/17/07, 9:03 AM

Originally Posted by frmorrison

It has been shown before, but the shred idol is over 500 attack power (to that one attack). It would take quite a bit of agility to beat 500 AP on the Feral's main raid attack. Note for soloing you may find Terror better.

Terror is the best tanking idol.

The shred idol is 500ap? The one that adds 4dmg to periodic shred ticks? Or there's another one? Wondering cause I have that but it sure didn't look really good when I tested it, but it was mainly random tests. I know tho that the mangle idol is pretty good, when off cooldown(which is 10secs, the duration of the buff), it has ~90% to proc on the first mangle you do. I love it when grinding at least.

Gruturistic · 11/17/07, 9:09 AM

Originally Posted by Pyros

The shred idol is 500ap? The one that adds 4dmg to periodic shred ticks? Or there's another one? Wondering cause I have that but it sure didn't look really good when I tested it, but it was mainly random tests. I know tho that the mangle idol is pretty good, when off cooldown(which is 10secs, the duration of the buff), it has ~90% to proc on the first mangle you do. I love it when grinding at least.

You have a bit of confusion in there. Shred is a direct damage, has no periodic ticks, and Everbloom idol adds 88 to that direct damage.

The other one is Rip, and the idol affecting it as you wrote (and yes, it's not that great), is the Idol of Feral Shadows.

Carlos · 11/17/07, 5:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kepharel

Sorry to go off topic, but my guild leader won't believe me that stacking agility is better than stacking strength. I'm at 3136 AP right now with 39.61% crit. Is stacking agility would is more beneficial than strength?

Just to give the data to the answers:

The Druid Wiki » ToskksDPSGearMethod

Probably available in the Startposts...

Voldin · 11/18/07, 1:09 AM

Feral Druid DPS 2.3.0.1

Fixed the Expertise Calculations (hopefully for good)
Fixed Energy Calculations for OOC/2pc T4
Added No-Finisher Cycle
Corrected Wildfury Greatstaff
Fixed Ferocious Bite Damage Calculations
Fixed Ashtongue Trinket
Fixed Beserker's Call showing as Pre-BC

Sarasper · 11/18/07, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Voldin

Feral Druid DPS 2.3.0.1

Fixed the Expertise Calculations (hopefully for good)
Fixed Energy Calculations for OOC/2pc T4
Added No-Finisher Cycle
Corrected Wildfury Greatstaff
Fixed Ferocious Bite Damage Calculations
Fixed Ashtongue Trinket
Fixed Beserker's Call showing as Pre-BC

Thank you for doing this work Voldin.
Here's one tiny tweak: on the Gear_Buffs worksheet cell R6 needs to get it's value from the Buffed worksheet.

And a request: can [Spicy Hot Talbuk] be added to the consumables list please?

Wings · 11/18/07, 12:25 PM

I got my hands on a [Grimgrin Faceguard] yesterday, only to realize afterwards that it does not have a Meta Socket...

I was trying to figure out how good the helm is regardless, since the stats are pretty great and it has 3 sockets. However, when trying to manually add it to Voldin's Spreadsheet I noticed there is a tab for all equipment slots...except Head?

Could you please add this item or tell me how to add it myself, Voldin?

Also, how do you guys think this helm compared to other helms?
Cursed Vision refuses to drop for us, ever, and since my T6 helm is gemmed and enchanted for Tanking I need a solid DPS headpiece.
I'm using T4 at the moment for the set bonus, but when I get my shoulders I'll swap to 4/5 T6 with a nonset DPS headpiece.

Oaken · 11/18/07, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Wings

I'm using T4 at the moment for the set bonus, but when I get my shoulders I'll swap to 4/5 T6 with a nonset DPS headpiece.

I am curious how people are doing this; is the 4/5 T6 set bonus so good that even with tanking-oriented enchants and gems it still surpasses any 4 other pieces? Or is it delicate gems all the way? [Crimson Spinel] is still a bit too rare for me to be able to put +10 agi gems in everything so I tend to go with [Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst] where I can but that's still losing out on 5 agility per slot. I'm not sure how well the T6 gear would hold up for dps with some 30 less agility in it than if you optimally gemmed it.

Camulos · 11/18/07, 1:52 PM

Re: Grimgrin Faceguard

My gear is way crappier than yours so Toskks' dynamic cat list might be off, but Grimgrin << T4 helm. Other than tier helms, the only clear upgrades would be the engineering (BoP), S3 arena and Cursed Vision.

For those who can't get a tier helm of any stripe, Grimgrin is a better bear alternative than most anything other than S3 arena. This was a surprise, and is based on Rawr beta 8 (gemming Delicate Ruby, Enduring Talasite and Solid Star).

Wings · 11/18/07, 2:52 PM

Originally Posted by Oaken

I am curious how people are doing this; is the 4/5 T6 set bonus so good that even with tanking-oriented enchants and gems it still surpasses any 4 other pieces? Or is it delicate gems all the way? [Crimson Spinel] is still a bit too rare for me to be able to put +10 agi gems in everything so I tend to go with [Shifting Shadowsong Amethyst] where I can but that's still losing out on 5 agility per slot. I'm not sure how well the T6 gear would hold up for dps with some 30 less agility in it than if you optimally gemmed it.

My T6 Helm is gemmed and enchanted for Tanking. My other T6 pieces are gemmed with pure Agi in red sockets, Sta/Agi in blue and Agi/Hit in Yellow, so I can use them in both forms.

At the moment since I lack T6 shoulders at time of writing (Maybe tonight..) I use T4 helm and shoulders for DPS, since using a Tank gemmed and enchanted helm is bad. Once I can wear 4 T6 without the helm, I will, provided I find an upgrade to T4 helm for DPS.