Hello, this is my first post and I dont normaly post on forums but a rogue friend said he came here alot and that the info here was top notch. I was in a raid recently and I was second on the damage meters the first being a fury war and the third a lock, Now I didnt off tank or doing anything on the side like healing etc. For some reason I was beat by 200k damage and I watched omen the whole time I was ahead or slightly behind the tank 90% of the time and ahead of the fury and had to back off my damage or pull. So... how do i do more damage without pulling when a fury war can beat me without generateing as much threat?

If you're holding back at all, use that energy to cower and increase your potential damage.

You are neglecting the fact that the Braided Eternium Chain has an aura component - you wont be the only person benefiting. 28 crit rating for 4 people... not sure how well that compares to 140 crit rating for one person, but it sure is allot easier on threat.

The Fury warrior is likely getting Salv and you are not. Also, you are allowed to go up to 9% above the current tank on threat, that could help you do more.

I am curious however, what fight allows you to do 200k less damage and still be in 2nd...

I am not all that great with WWS, however it appears that you used Mangle 30 times and used Shred 31 times which is a pretty bad combo. In a normal rotation you try to get in 3 or 4 Shred per Mangle but here it looks like you basically took turns Mangling and Shredding.

The other thing is that you used Bear Mangle and Maul as well as Growl which indicates you tanked something. Obviously that and using your CR is going to lower your DPS over some Hunter/SPriest whose whole job it is to DPS in a given boss fight.

Can't always shred during spouts, but you are right, may be I should follow him underwater and stick to his back. Yes, the warrior tank died so I had to tank the submerge and battle rez him after.

If you can circle strafe you can just run around him and not go into the water.

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Those are the only two WWS reports I have for lurker . You can see that DPS is pretty limited in general for everyone, and in those parses I'm in pretty decent gear (the first was around about our first illidan kill, the second about a month after) and I was tanking all the submerge phases (although in full DPS gear).

As has been pointed out by other posters, you should be following him (running around, not underwater - helps if you have some form of runspeed on boots/metagem but you should be fine otherwise, and you can always dip underwater if you need to) to be able to shred whilst he's spouting or you're losing a significant portion of DPS - this should up your ratio of mangles : shreds which will help your DPS.

Your melee hits is ~360, which is about 6 minutes of "contact" with targets as cat, over an 11 minute fight. As a direct comparison, I had ~200 and ~210 (about 4 minutes "contact") over just under 6 minutes. Some of this can be put down to knockbacks, some to running between mobs and shifting forms (when he submerges). The more contact time you have, the more DPS you will do in total. More contact time can equal a lot of extra DPS.

You could be using your trinkets better too. Valor (crystalforged) was used 6 times and could have been used 10 or 11, and Lust for Battle used only 4 times and could have been 5 or 6 times. I hope you had all the relevant buffs (5 paladins so should be no problem) but you didn't have a shaman, so that'll be a significant chunk of DPS "lost". It's hard to tell anything further about buffs without having been at the fight.

A lot of the variance in DPS will be just because of how the fight works. Every time you do the fight, you'll improve your timing on the abilities and be able to get more DPS out the movement (increasing contact time) without putting yourself in danger of dying. Lurker has always been a funny fight for DPS because of how it works. As Baggles has pointed out, you'd be better off comparing your DPS to other melee/other people on a fight like Morogrim because it's much more of a "pure" DPS test, as long as you aren't tanking.

Hello all!

I seek some thoughts regarding whether [Battlemaster's Determination] or [Battlemaster's Cruelty] is more suited for catform in pvp/arenas. My instinct is to go for the [Battlemaster's Cruelty], in part, because more crits translates into more combo points vs an opponent. More combo points means longer duration for maim and faster application of 5point rip, if rip is your intention.

Currently in kitty pvp gear, I'm at 2905 attack power, 4.57% hit, 36.69% crit, 10,894 hp, and 323 resilience. While 36.69% crit is decent, I go on the assumption that my opponents will have enough resilience to reduce being crit by 10%. Assuming an opponent's resilience will bring my crit to ~26%, I feel the extra 1.8% crit would be a nice padding.

Lots of my non-druid friends are proponents of atk pwr > crit in arena, but I wanted to see how other ferals in pvp/arenas see the tradeoff for these two trinkets. I was unable to find any mention of this topic on these forums, but I missed something, please feel free to let me know!

Thanks and happy holidays to all!

Honestly, keep Bloodlust Brooch. Nobody focuses you first as feral (at least they shouldn't with over 20k armor and 14k health in bear) so your initial burst damage is far more important than the survivability these trinkets give.

I don't quite see the point of blowing a lot of honour/badges on either.

I'd prefer the Spyglass or, failing that, the Engineering Trinket or, failing that as well, the KoT exalted trinket. Jewelcrafting has a nice trinket too - [Figurine - Nightseye Panther] or even [Figurine - Living Ruby Serpent]. At least I always find I run out of mana way too fast.