In BT last night I asked our members who made www.wwsscoreboard.com if they could add a dps for all bosses by class chart on the site. Less then 12 hours later and voila:
Druid WWS Scoreboard
By default it shows the top 15 for every boss, but that can be edited in the options to show a lot more. One click to get an indexed list of top performers on every boss to compare yourself to.

Which part? The second one is right.


Anyway, about powershifting, maybe I've got my macro wrong, but I'm never able to time it right in such that it doesn't clip the next energy tick. This is my powershift macro:

/cast [stance:1] Bear Form; [stance:2] Cat Form

I use it for breaking snares and roots as well. The problem I'm running into is I believe powershifting is affected by the previous ability's GCD. Is this correct, because from moderate latency(200ms), would you really only have about 600ms time to place the powershift correctly?

Powershifting doesn't work if you're in the GCD. You can /cancelform while under the GCD, but shifting back in is a spellcast. So yes, you'll always clip 1.5s off your tick. Even with that, 40 energy > 20 energy and it seems like the first tick after a powershift comes in about half a normal tick.

Yes, if you use that macro while still in gcd you'll end up in caster form. That means that powershifting in cat form requires you to wait 1s after your last special before hitting the powershift button (clipping your energy tick and decreasing maximum powershifting gain to 30 energy).

Still, getting 20 energy per powershift is still worth it if you time it right.

Last nights Teron I got 1925 dps, Rawr has me listed doing around 1800 with my gear and the same buffs. Did I just get lucky with OoC // 2pcT4 procs?

-i was putting up mangles
-i forgot to use agi elixir
-group comp was 2 rog, enh sham, war, and myself.
-gear that i had on ( The World of Warcraft Armory )
-no world buffs, only raid and 20 agi food and elemental sharp stone.
-i know i screwed up on my powershifting about 3-4 times

wws: Skit - WWS

Well this isn't exactly right. It only really applies if you have an item with just defense, and can replace it with an item of comparable ilevel and resilience and agility in the correct ratios. However, you can't just free hand items into whatever you need them to be. Everybody needs to take a hard look at what gear is available to them, and choose the way to be uncrittable that gives up the least.

Quite right. I didn't say I guess Res is better, I said back to the drawing board. Which pretty much means what you say. It's going to have to be on an item by item basis.

- extreme luck with 2pcT4 (more than 50% more than average for that length of fight)
- same with ooc
- 6x drums of battle / 1x bloodlust (not sure that is included in rawr)
- 61% crit on shreds (i don't assume you got that much crit so luck there too).

nontheless impressive dps

And also did you up the Bloodlust uptime and Drum uptimes to whatever they would be? (probably 25-30% and 100%).

Beyond that, yeah, luck plays a huge role, especially in short fights like Teron.

yes, in fact i just went back into Rawr to re-plug all the items and buffs and it listed me as 1676.999 DPS

playing around with Bloodlust uptime, it would have had to be up 90% to reach the DPS that I had.

Part could come from combinations of buffs as well. Most abilities and proc/use items are modelled as averages. However, if you have things like Bloodlust, Drums, and Beserker's Call all up at the same time the dynamics are improved and are probably not modelled that way. Getting OoC procs and powershifting (for more shreds) while these are active can increase it as well. This is why active abilities are generally more powerful than passive even if they average to the same.

I have read the opening page but i thought i would try and get some input from fellow raiders as to which trinkets they prefer. My guild has long past Gruul's and not that many of us even pug it so i have pretty much given up on the coveted
DST. Right now im using the Tsunami Talisman and the Crystalforged trinket. Also, i only have 67 hit (know i need more but I rarely seem to miss) and 25 expertise.

1)So is Madness of the Betrayer a big enough upgrade in DPS to warrant replacing one of my current trinkets?

2) Is Idol of the White stag worth spending DKP on when i already have Everbloom, Terro, and the Raven idols and where does it fall as far as DPS output to the others?

3) is there a point i should add more AP (or STR) instead of agi/crit?
I could give an Amory link but its a radi night so who knows what gear i will be in. I will say that in DPS gear im 4/5 T4 with 3307 AP and 39.42 crit UNBUFFED. dont reckon thats very impressive to some end raiders but its what Iv got to work with.

4) Is Dukes STR and AGI forulas correct for cat form stats post 2.3 patch? STR=2.49 seems a lil high when i thought they said they were nerfing it in 2.3 whereas AGI was getting a boost.

5) Assuming i wanted to add more overall AP, is it better to focus on STR or pure AP when selecting gear and gems?
Obviously i will still be trying to find the item with the most Agi but this question has been buggin me for awhile. I know that we now get 10% bonus to toal AP but each point of AP seems to give less overall AP as stacking STR if that makes any sense. However, when i did my own test by swapping gems and enchants, the total AP seem to remain the same.

1) Yes. Use a DPS calculator. It's certainly better than Crystalforged...

2) No.

3) No.

4) Believe so.

5) Not pure AP.

Strength is 2 AP per point.
Strength gets 1.1x modifier from BoK, and 1.03x modifier from SotF. AP gets a 1.1x modifier from HotW.

1x2x1.1x1.03.1.1 = 2.4926.

Pre 2.3 it was worth 2.7 AP per point (HotW = 1.2x strength instead of 1.1x AP).

To answer 5, Strength will always be better than pure AP due to BoK and SotF.

The formulas are fine last I checked, it's easy to verify this for yourself:

1 Str * 1.03 (Survival of the Fittest) * 1.1 (Blessing of Kings) * 2 (AP/Str) * 1.1 (Heart of the Wild) = 2.4926 AP

1 Agi * 1.03 (Survival of the Fittest) * 1.1 (Blessing of Kings) * 1 (AP/Agi) * 1.1 (Heart of the Wild) = 1.2463 AP

edit: BLAST! Foiled again =(

edit2: That's really cool, saves a lot of manual searching on WWS for sure.

Man, that's a whole boatload of corrections you fine folks have given me on the last page. Thank you so much!

Hopefully things will improve soonish, ZA has been... reticent... about dropping loot (by which I mean FUCK YOU MALACRASS DROP THE STAFF!)

And I completely forgot to enchant those bracers :doh:

Looks like I've got some work to do.

While DPSing, I use the following macro to safely powershift:

#showtooltip
/run old=GetCVar("autoUnshift");SetCVar("autoUnshift", 1);UIErrorsFrame:UnregisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE")
/cast !Cat Form
/run SetCVar("autoUnshift", old);UIErrorsFrame:RegisterEvent("UI_ERROR_MESSAGE")


This can be spammed and will never cause you to leave Cat Form.

Does anyone know if they are adding new bonuses for the additional T6 gear? Also, it now appears that with those additions u can have your 2p T4 and 4pT6 bonuses. Anyone doing the math to find the best gear selection setup?

Looks like there is a ton of new gear with haste and ignores armor, which one is better overall to stack? Havent read anywhere at what a druid's haste cap is so that would be cool too.

I know Valerian hit on this during the opening page but Has anyone spent the time to determine the MAX DPS setup incorporating well just about everything? (eg. Hit, Expertise, Crit, Trinkets, Rings...ETC) Valerian only covered the original 5 tier slots and I know not everyone has access to all loot and that some things are personal bias but there has to be some setup that just cant be beat (well until the next patch or expansion)

- Has been discussed before, 2t4/4t6 and 4t6 + sunwell are about equal, depending on model. Best T4 seems to be shoulders/helm.

- Why should there be a haste cap ? Overall i would say armor penetration is probably better stacking due to increasing returns.

- Max DPS lists are frequently posted, it doesn't make sense atm though as new items are discovered on the PTR on a daily basis. For a max list now browse the threat a bit it has been well covered.

Sadly this doesn't include temporary reports, I'm not about to pay for WWS hosting but I'm still happy to see that I *would* be top 10 (with doubles removed)

Actually the scoreboard archives logs even after they are removed from wws. The problem is it was only created a week or two ago so it doesn't have that many old deleted logs, it does however have all the ones prior to the account change at wws that purged a number of reports.

Xyruul, great tool, please let the people that created it how usefull it is. I wonder about two blips I see in the rogue class. Is this a WWS error, or are those two rogues from your guild THAT good? Liet and Mitski, btw.