Feral Megathread - Page 99

◊ Regen · 03/08/08, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Druvz

just wondering could anyone give me some advice on current gear set up for maximum dps ive read nearly every post and there was one awhile back but cant find it now ive noticed alot of druids with different set ups just wanted to know which is the best

... It's pretty simple, the only real differences in any 2.3 lists would be whether or not to use 4pct6 or 2pct4. Cursed Vision is a given, DST / Madness or Tsunami is pretty much a given, s3 Weapon, and hit capped between the remaining top-end rings, neck and cloak.

EDIT: Also there is no "Druvz" on the EU armory, might want to fix that.

Kilrock · 03/09/08, 7:13 PM

I'm pretty sure i'd be using 4/5 T6 If the Cursed Vision of Sargeras Dropped.. The hit rating from it + my TT kinda allows me to use the Sunwell staff if it ever drops without having to make up for any hit X_X

The 2 piece t4 still scales up terribly well at sunwell level when you have.. ermmm 1k armor penetration and 200 haste?

Can't tell right now if we'd even get to DPS all that much in sunwell anyways..

Sadirin · 03/10/08, 12:12 PM

Greetings from Germany

Did any Feral had the chance to test the new weapon enchant "Deathfrost"?

Does it proc in bear/cat-form?
Does it increase the damge in bear/cat-form?
Does the speed decrease work on PvE-Bosses?
Does the speed decrease stack with thunderclap from a warrior on PvE-Bosses?

And thanks @ Astrylian for the new RAWR-Version. For b13 i would love to see the possibility to deactivate set bonuses to better compare the raw item. :-)

• Caniki · 03/10/08, 2:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sadirin

Greetings from Germany

Did any Feral had the chance to test the new weapon enchant "Deathfrost"?

Does it proc in bear/cat-form?
Does it increase the damge in bear/cat-form?
Does the speed decrease work on PvE-Bosses?
Does the speed decrease stack with thunderclap from a warrior on PvE-Bosses?

And thanks @ Astrylian for the new RAWR-Version. For b13 i would love to see the possibility to deactivate set bonuses to better compare the raw item. :-)

SYL

I don't think Deathfrost has been made available in any way.

coredumperror · 03/10/08, 8:29 PM

Is the Relentless Earthstorm Diamond the first, last, and only Meta a tanking druid should ever consider? Or is the Powerful Earthstorm Diamond better for boss tanking? I mostly ask because I've been tending toward pure stam gemming recently, except for those few spots where I need a bit of a defense patch for uncrittable, so I'd have to socket some agi/def to get those RED meta requirements. Also, once I get my T6 helm, I definitely want to put RED in it since it'll double as my DPS helm, as I'm using 2T4 helm/shoulders, which I'm probably gonna switch to shoulders/gloves once I get T6 helm (as I'm a lot more likely to get the helm before any other pieces with my guild's current progression).

coredumperror · 03/10/08, 8:42 PM

I notice that the newest Rawr still doesn't have the Glyph of the Gladiator available as head enchant option. I plan to make use of it's far superior crit reduction and stam over the Defender glyph, and it'd be great to be able to add it to my modeled gear set.

shakounette · 03/10/08, 8:44 PM

The 5% stun res. is quite useless on many bosses, and 12 agi + 3%crit crit dmg are better than 18 sta :p

Krag · 03/10/08, 9:27 PM

Originally Posted by coredumperror

I notice that the newest Rawr still doesn't have the Glyph of the Gladiator available as head enchant option. I plan to make use of it's far superior crit reduction and stam over the Defender glyph, and it'd be great to be able to add it to my modeled gear set.

You can add the Glyph of the Gladiator pretty easily to the EnchantCache.xml. Should be something like the following (not on my wow computer right now):

  <Enchant>
    <Id>3004</Id>
    <Name>Glyph of the Gladiator</Name>
    <Slot>Head</Slot>
    <Stats>
      <Stamina>18</Stamina>
      <Resilience>20</Resilience>
    </Stats>
  </Enchant>

raffy · 03/10/08, 11:03 PM

Hortus confirms 2.4 armor values are wack:
WoW Forums -> [Bug?] Low armor on new badge plate items

Tuhalu · 03/11/08, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by shakounette

The 5% stun res. is quite useless on many bosses, and 12 agi + 3%crit crit dmg are better than 18 sta :p

It's a question of Mitigation/Threat vs Survival. Right now, the RED is clearly better because we have easily reached the amount of health needed to survive burst damage. I'll be switching to the PED for Sunwell tanking though. I'll need about 4k more hps for Sunwell tanking, which isn't going to come without giving up a little mitigation.

Vaccine · 03/11/08, 7:45 AM

Originally Posted by raffy

Hortus confirms 2.4 armor values are wack:
WoW Forums -> [Bug?] Low armor on new badge plate items

Thats good news at least. If the armour is a decent chunk higher than T6 on all the items (belt especially) we should be able to easily drop the badge in favour of some combination of [Shadowmoon Insignia], [Commendation of Kael'thas] and possibly some form of Expertise or another stamina trinket. The Steely Naruu Sliver rumoured to drop off Muru would also be quite nice (54 expertise wtih a last stand style on use).

Merple · 03/11/08, 11:02 AM

So with the coming release of 2.4, we're going to gain access to the level 70 rep-based PvP gear (Dragonhide Battlegear - Item Sets - World of Warcraft).

How does this gear hold up in terms of entry level tanking equip? With the resilience and additional armor on it, it looks pretty promising for relatively little work. Can anyone give me some perspective as to where this fits in the whole "Just hit 70 and wants to tank" matrix?

Spookeh · 03/11/08, 11:44 AM

Merple- the 'season 0' blue pvp set, for entry tanking...

Head- Stylin' Purple Hat (crafted) would be better
Shoulders- good!
Chest- Heavy Clefthoof (crafted) would be better
Legs- Heavy Clefthoof (crafted) would be better
Hands- Wastewalker Gloves (5-man) or Verdant Gloves (solo Q) would be better

so mainly the shoulders, because they fill the big gap between greens 'of the monkey', and T4 / S1.
you get sha'tar rep to honored from scryer/aldor quests so should be pretty easy for starter druids.

generally, it doesn't have enough armour or stam, which is what you need first starting out. resil isn't a great subsitute for the defence you get on h.clefthoof.
the DPS is ok, and i'd want to pick it up asap just for the set bonus for outdoor cat stuff.

Merple · 03/11/08, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Spookeh

Merple- the 'season 0' blue pvp set, for entry tanking...

Head- Stylin' Purple Hat (crafted) would be better
Shoulders- good!
Chest- Heavy Clefthoof (crafted) would be better
Legs- Heavy Clefthoof (crafted) would be better
Hands- Wastewalker Gloves (5-man) or Verdant Gloves (solo Q) would be better

so mainly the shoulders, because they fill the big gap between greens 'of the monkey', and T4 / S1.
you get sha'tar rep to honored from scryer/aldor quests so should be pretty easy for starter druids.

Oh, I definately agree that there's better, but considering you get 125 resilience from the set (insta crit-immune), and a decent amount of armour for what looks to be ~85g, that's a pretty amazing "Ding! I'm a tank!" set.

No, you wouldn't go into Kara or most heroics with it, but you're pretty golden for an entry tank set (with PvP viability to boot!)

It's actually kinda unfair to warriors and paladins, to be honest.

Spookeh · 03/11/08, 11:56 AM

its not ding when you immediately turn 70 though, as you're not necessarily going to be revered/honored with all those factions straight away.
you can get the crafted stuff, and do the verdant gloves quest, prior to dinging 70 anyway.

chest and legs, you're definitely better off with the clefthoof stuff, defence will help you more than resil. and season 0 just doesn't have all that much armour.

i'd get the set anyway, just for the set bonus and as an entry to pvp, as it will help you grind up the season 3 belt/boot/bracers from honor, which *are* worth tanking in until approx T5

tagrat · 03/11/08, 2:02 PM

Is someone is able to evaluate the trinket [Hand of Justice] (loot on emperor in brd) ?
From wowhead, it said that the procrate is 1.33% on hit, and apparently no internal cooldown.

Im not sure but it seem pretty powerful, like a windfury ?

Zeln · 03/11/08, 2:19 PM

Originally Posted by tagrat

Is someone is able to evaluate the trinket [Hand of Justice] (loot on emperor in brd) ?
From wowhead, it said that the procrate is 1.33% on hit, and apparently no internal cooldown.

Im not sure but it seem pretty powerful, like a windfury ?

I think if you read through the thread that you will probably find that the hand of justice trinket is more powerful than "like a windfury", but I certainly wouldn't replace another trinket such as the [Rune of the Guard Captain] with it. You'll have to forgive me though, I healed through MC and therefore can't tell you more about the feral items for that level of play.

Tuhalu · 03/11/08, 4:01 PM

1.33% chance to land an extra melee hit is worth about 1 extra white hit per minute. In a recent Teron fight, I managed 1777 dps. If I had this trinket on, I would have landed one white hit for ~500 damage per minute of the fight, which calculates out at 8.33 DPS. The 20AP is worth ~0.7 DPS, bringing it up to 9 DPS. Instead, I had an Hourglass of the Unraveller equipped, which is worth 32 Crit and ~50AP on average. I calculate that out as being worth about 22 DPS in that situation.

So assuming my rough calculations are correct, a Hand of Justice should be no better than half as good as a level 70 blue trinket.

Temis · 03/11/08, 4:10 PM

If you're talking in the context of level 60 twinks, [Hand of Justice] is better than anything short of [Drake Fang Talisman] or [Slayer's Crest]. At 70, none of those items are worth using anymore compared to easily accessible alternatives like [Bloodlust Brooch] and [Crystalforged Trinket] for ferals.

Kaleido · 03/11/08, 4:57 PM

Anyone know a new gear list that compares the new Sunwell badge loot to what is in wow now?

• Astrylian · 03/11/08, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kaleido

Anyone know a new gear list that compares the new Sunwell badge loot to what is in wow now?

Rawr does. Rawr - Release: Rawr b12.1

spartakos · 03/12/08, 5:25 AM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Rawr does. Rawr - Release: Rawr b12.1

Damn astrylian again we have to add the new head enchant on our own.

• Astrylian · 03/12/08, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by spartakos

Damn astrylian again we have to add the new head enchant on our own.

Doh. Knew I forgot something. Will get the new enchants added for the next version.

Maeltne · 03/13/08, 12:43 PM

Does anyone know the net effect on our threat output the GCD change on Mangle is going to cause?

It's going from 1s to 1.5s.

Just from a purely time standpoint that is going to cost us an additional .5s every 6s. From a purely time standpoint that is an 8.33% reduction.

Seems extreme?

• Astrylian · 03/13/08, 12:46 PM

No, Mael, it'll have little effect on threat generation over time. Our normal threat rotation already included 0.5sec of waiting, this just fills that gap. Your rotation time may be a tiny bit longer now, due to latency, but that should be small.

(Currently: 1sec mangle + 3x1.5sec Swipe/Lacerate = 5.5sec. Then we wait 0.5sec for Mangle to come off cooldown)