Kemono

I could be totally wrong here, but as i read it it restores mana/energy/rage on your target, not on yourself.

I especially think think this because it says runic power, which druids dont use at all.

So im not sure how great this talent will be.

 

Seerion

Yeah I generally don't have that much trouble there. I just about always end an air phase at full mana. However one out of 4 times someone you don't want to get beam gets beam/you get BAD breaths, etc, and I'm spamming till she lands. Should that happen? No. I would however take precautions to make sure the mana is there regardless for that fight. The damage is fairly controlled save for encapsulate. If everyone does what they're supposed to when they're supposed to do it she dies.

As for M'uru, we've just started on him. I'm on pally tank and retrieving tank right now. I'll have to try that swiftmend rotation. How much haste do you think necessary to achieve it? I'm sitting at about 80 ish atm. However I can gem my old T6 chest and Akama leggings with haste gems if necessary dropping about 160 healing and 16mp5 for 60 haste. That's quite a cost, but if that rotation works, it's worth the stat drops for the hps strategy boost, at least till I can grab boots and shoulders from twins which should be quite soon.

 

malthrin

You only need a little Haste to do it. Technically, you really don't need any - cast your 3 Lifeblooms, you now have 2 seconds until you need to cast the first LB again (6.5s cycle instead of 7 to account for latency). Wait half a second, then cast Rejuv, then do an LB cycle, Rejuv someone else, then do a 2nd LB cycle. At the end of the second LB cycle, your first Rejuv has between 1 and .5 seconds left on it - if you mash Swiftmend it will go off. Haste only gives you margin for error while doing this.

 

Empyreall

Well to be honest, last night we had quite an unusual raid setup for twins, but we ran with about 4-5 resto shaman (can't remember) that were responsible for certain groups. We had 3 healers on all 3 tanks (including the lock tank) and I was an extra raid healer. After the first few wipes I noticed that melee were the ones that would consistently take tons of damage so i started pre-hoting them with rejuvenations and a lifebloom and that seemed to work out well, the only problem was that later in the fight certain people would drop from that flame debuff rather quickly where i could only get off a single regrowth before they died. Now I don't know if this was an experience problem since we had 2 new shaman to the fight or if it was a simple manner of neglect for said targets but I kept feeling that maybe i could have done something to prevent this(?)

 

Kanji

A much simpler solution is to use a LB, LB, LB, RG rotation so that you can Swiftmend *ANY* of the 3 tanks as opposed to being confined to, not only 2 of your 3 targets, but also a very strict time limit with RJ timers. Not to mention that the RG itself also acts as emergency burst healing when needed. My rotation on M'uru is typically 3x LBs then using my 4'th GCD to RG Tank 1 > Tank 2 > Tank 3. However, if at any time I need to respond to spikes, I have both the option to Swiftmend or Regrowth any of the assigned tanks. This acts as a very flexible rotation that pumps out a lot of effective healing while greatly reducing dangerous situations that arise from burst damage. You do get a bit of overheal durring those times when you're simply RG'ing a target to refresh the HoT on them, but I still feel it's the most effective rotation to run on M'uru (or any encounter with 3 tanks for that matter), overhealing and all. Just for clarrification, I usually run with ~169 Spell Haste in my basic Healing setup. None of the pieces should be out of the ordinary or hard to aquire for a person in a SW Guild on M'uru, so if you don't have enough Spell haste to sustain this rotation, it shouldn't be difficult for you to pick 'em up.

 

Ogemaniac

I would be much more interested in seeing lifebloom blooms (and POM and Earthshield) being properly credited in the logs. This defect causes healing meters to have a fatal flaw with respect to druid healing in particular.

There is no reason the logs could not read "Warrior heals Warrior for X via Druid's Lifebloom" or something similar.

 

rawrz

I'm not even sure why they couldn't just count it normally - "Druid's Lifebloom heals Warrior for 1xxx". I think the only time I appreciated this mechanic was during skelly beams on Felmyst - being able to throw around group heals with only half the effective healing threat.

Re: 3xlb and regrowth - I'll be testing that out in future attempts. Healing the pally tank with two rounds of spawns still makes my balls shrink, so I may end up adapting that idea and trying something out along the lines of lbx3 rejuv, lbx3 regrowth, lbx3 swiftmend. Either that or convince the pally tank to wear more SR.

(P.S. My guild (Legions Guild) is looking for another resto druid. 8-11 PST on Mon, Tue, Thur, Sun. 4/6 Sunwell. PVE-Alliance. We ran with 1 resto druid since Sunwell and I really miss someone to compare notes with. Sunwell experience, while preferred, is not essential. What is required is T6 quality gear (because we don't do BT/Hyjal anymore) and a decent understanding and application of resto druid theorycraft.)

 

Lyssa

I'm normally feral, but speccing resto for Twins just to try and keep as steady a group to progress as possible. Healing there is definitely one of the most interesting roles I've had, due to the nature of the incoming damage, and it's taken a lot of practise to get it right. We're going Sacrolash first as well, and we bring 10 healers; 2 paladins, 1 spirit priest & 1 resto druid on MTs, 2 shamans, 2 resto druids and 1 CoH priest taking one group each to heal, and a third resto shaman healing "random" damage - mainly spamming chain heal on whatever group needs it the most. I'm usually assigned to healing melee and we're never melee-heavy on Twins; we had three tonight, and they shared group with two tanks, so the job was easier than healing a full five-man group of ranged or mixed melee/ranged.

As a rough guildeline, what I do is keep rejuvenation up on the three melee as I know they're taking somewhat steady damage from Shadow Blades. If one of them gets Flame Sear I add a lifebloom stack to it, and then a regrowth on top of it. I usually let rejuv run out on the person since he then has the hot from regrowth to take care of Shadow Blades damage. If more than one gets Flame Sear at the same time I can swiftmend the first person's rejuv, cast regrowth on the second, lifebloom on the first and then reapply rejuvenations. Main rule (for me!) is always keeping a hot ticking on each and every person you're healing; preferably something you can swiftmend. When only being assigned to three people, I had plenty of "spare" GCDs that I could use throwing hots on tanks or helping out healing other groups (especially when there were multiple Flame Sears in one group).

Healing a five-man group is a lot harder IMO, especially if you're not in the group you're healing and cannot use Tranquility. I'm not at all used to healing (even though I've gotten a lot more practise since we started on Twins) and my approach to healing an entire group was simply spamming every GCD I had, mainly regrowth and rejuvenation and was chugging mana potions and innervate even while having shadowpriest just to keep everyone alive. ^^ That is obviously not the best way to do it.. But every druid has a different style of healing and you probably have a completely different healing setup than we do. Trial-and-error will most likely be your best approach; you'll find the best way for you to heal eventually.

Best of luck on Twins.

 

• Arawethion

I would just as soon not see this change, because threat matters and healing meters do not.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Seerion

Yeah I played with it on twins tonight with 80 haste. Worked out great. Damn shadow fury threw things off a smidge here and there though. Good stuff, Cheers

 

Cube

Arawethion: Yes, healing meters don't mean anything overall, but knowing when your lifeblooms are blowing off is a pretty nice thing to have when parsing logs, especially when there are 2 resto druids in a raid.

 

Kalaghan

I was under the impressioin (based on a couple EJ threads that tested it out - I forget their names/locations now) that the bloom portion of a lifebloom actually produced 0 threat anyway, so threat related arguments when it comes to the logs are a bit of a moot point.

 

• Arawethion

Yes--I'm assuming, as is likely, that a change to the logging of the ability would also cause it to give the healer threat. There's no reason for Blizzard to rework the ability in the first place unless they think something is unintended about its behavior, and the non-threat of the bloom is probably the only such part. I'm guess they won't bother because it's so insignificant, and it's probably done the way it is because it's somehow easier to implement.

This is really not a big deal anyway; I was only pointing out that it's silly to complain about a minor mechanics freebie that we get.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Kalaghan

I don't see the grounds for this assumption. Why would a log change to have the healing credited to the druid casting lifebloom require the addition of threat? As it sits, it still counts as healing credited (in the log), it's just that healing is credited to the tank. It's not as though it's healing comes from an invisible source and that's the reason threat isn't produced. If the tank gets 0 threat for the healing from a lifebloom bloom, they could simply keep that mechanic and change the log to indicate the druid is credited with the healing.

Edit: Found it (or rather one of them...I thought there was another one in a druid specific thread somewhere):
Kenco: A Guide To Threat.

 

Norfair

Both Earthshield and PoM require a hit for it to heal that person; an action of a "third party". For Lifebloom, the same goes for when the buff is dispelled. A quick Google got me at the Thottbot page of Unstable Affliction, which is the damage equivalent of Lifebloom. This spell also says "Your UA hits you for X damage" and does not credit it to the warlock. Because of this I think it is not really "intended" to show up like that and therefore it's only implemented this way because of technical reasons.

However, I think Blizzard didn't want to have these spells as threat generators, so they reduces the threat generated by them to 0 (I'm not sure if this is entirely true as I see a lot of priests in the Holy Priest thread saying it's a great way to give additional aggro to the tank, but Lifebloom at least doesn't (anymore?)). If they would ever "fix" the combat log as in credit the Lifebloom's bloom to the druid, I bet they'll re-instate the threat that comes with it, because it makes no sense otherwise to have only that part of the spell generating 0 threat.

This is just my personal theory though, I do not have any Blizzard sources to back it up.

Keep f**king that chicken.

 

Kalaghan

Maybe, but it also seems that a lot of the testing indicates lifebloom ticks to actually generate less threat than they 'should' based on the standard /2 then /(# of mobs) formula. This leads me to believe that Blizzard intentionally chooses to make certain spells produce less threat than standard mechanics indicate they should. Thus, it seems the decision has already been made that lifebloom produces 0 threat (i.e. it's a concious decision). The combat log is merely a superficial element (i.e. it has 0 bearing on gameplay) and so changing it to credit the healer in no way necessitates a threat change mechanic in my opinion (since they've already shown they don't apply the standard threat rule 100% of the time).

 

• giansm

This combat log stuff is a really silly discussion, especially since it's just speculation about how Blizzard's code may or may not be written and how that might influence a combat log change which may or may not happen, along with a sprinkling of vague guesses about Blizzard's intentions for good measure. Speculation of this sort is probably best stopped completely or confined to one of the threat related threads, there's an old one here that was talking about this sort of thing ([Druid] Different threat produced by different heals?) which may be appropriate.

I don't mind seeing a post or two about side topics like this but it's been almost the entire page so far, and it's probably a bad idea to clutter up an already-large theorycrafting thread with speculation of this nature.

 

edrialyse

I have a lvl 70 Resto druid, and I'm not sure as to whether this would be a good place to post or not, but here is my question.

During the Gurtogg Bloodboil fight, I have heard two different options on what to do if the tree gets Fel Raged.

Option 1: stay in tree form and heal yourself, using Barkskin

Option 2: Equip (Insert Stamina staff), pop Barkskin, and go Bear.

Which of these is actually the better idea, and for option 2, I have been trying to make a macro that will do all three. I can only seem to get two of the spell casts to work, and the other will not, the macro saying "That skill is not ready yet."

This is what my macro looks like:
/equip Wildfury Greatstaff
/cast Dire Bear Form(Shapeshift)
/cast Barkskin

The issue seems to be with the GCD, is there a code line I can put in to make it recognize the GCD and complete the full set listed?
I'm not that good at macros yet, so I appreciate any help.

 

SilentCom

If you can heal yourself all the better.

 

• Arawethion

More specifically, the gains from being in Bear form are small compared to the Fel Rage buff itself. Your amplified HoTs on yourself are probably worth more.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

trismegistus

In a macro like this, you should always put the weapon change last as it will restart the GCD. Also, casting Barkskin will cancel Dire Bear form. For example:

/cast Barkskin
/cast Dire Bear Form(Shapeshift)
/equip Wildfury Greatstaff

See if this works properly.

 

tylanthea

This wouldn't work either. Barkskin triggers the GCD, as well as shifting into bear form.

The most you could do is cast Barkskin while Gurtogg is running at you, and shift+equip on a separate macro, although there are addons that equip weapons for you when you switch forms.. which means that you'd have to Barkskin->shift
and hope the addon works properly.

 

Daedalix

About Gurtogg/Felrage

Could some of the T6 restos say what they actually do when you get Felraged? Do you just roll LB/RJ and SM or go Bear for the duration? I've been thinking about asking since I'm to that point and I tried both. When I tried to heal myself I was getting vent-shouts "go bear..." so I did.

I came to the conclusion that barkskin doesn't last long enough by itself and going bear would make me basically armor capped and Frenzied Regeneration would keep me up just as well as heals (but only for 10 secs), but I haven't gotten the opportunity to test either very much.

Couldn't find an answer to this question in either the BB or this thread thus far.

 

SilentCom

You pop barkskin and start stacking LB and a rejuv on yourself. If you get low swiftmend yourself first and then pop a healthstone the second time if you get low. Once all your hots are up you can try to cast regrowths on yourself as well.

 

Jasyla

I stay in tree form/caster form for the duration of the fel rage, stack LBs and use Rejuv/SM and Regrowth liberally. NS/HT can also be very useful. I try to save barkskin for the last 12 seconds of the fel rage.

Your heals are worth more to you than the extra armor from bear form and frenzied regeneration, in addition to only lasting 10 seconds, doesn't heal for that much.