For Fel Rage as a tree, I typically start off with a regrow and rejuv, work up to 3 lifeblooms, swiftmend myself, and at the last 8 seconds I tranquility. He almost always does a mortal strike towards the end, so the extra healing for the last hit does wonders. Save barkskin for the last 10 seconds as well.

Threaten them with something for their stupidity.
If they cannot manage a LB/RJ combo on each tank, then assign them to do LB on both tanks, and a RJ on one tank each.

What do they think they can do on one tank only while they have LB/RJ/RG hots up and are waiting for LB to need refreshing? use HT?

Definitely keep trying to convince them. Keeping HoTs on 2 tanks is not at all too much to ask. When my guild started doing Illidan I was assigned to only one tank. After a number of attempts I was switched to keeping HoTs on both, which was much more effective. This seems to work best whether we have one or two trees in the raid.

You should be able to keep up 2x lifebloom, 2x rejuvenation, and 2x regrowth with no haste provided you have a decent connection, or always with a little bit of haste. We have our resto druids keep up as many hots as they can on both tanks, for an example this is a WWS of the tank on the first flame (so there were two tanks tanking during this time):

Illidan Stormrage : Slimjimm

The two druids covered 60% of his healing while also casting identical spells on the other tank (who, for reference, is Illidan Stormrage : Bacardirum). Our healing on the second tank is relatively lower because after the first flame dies, instead of keeping up full hots on the second flame tank we keep up partial hots and help out on the raid. This is because there is a direct healer assigned to the first flame tank and he moves to the second tank full time, so the full dedication of two resto druids is not really necessary.

While both flames were up I was using this rotation from the first post's "Two Tanks" section:

LB 1, LB 2, RJ 1, RJ 2
LB 1, LB 2, RG 1
LB 1, LB 2, RJ 1, RJ 2
LB 1, LB 2, RG 2

I believe Qelyn was using this one:

LB 1, LB 2, RJ 1
LB 1, LB 2, RJ 2

Cube, about Bloodboil. He will deal around 130k damage to you in caster form (a bit more if you have a lot of cloth).
So if going bear reduces the damage taken by ~25%, you'd take up to 35k less total damage.

Putting a LB stack on you should tick for at least 1800s (900s with the debuff), which would offset the gain from going bear (I'm not sure about the debuff uptime, but LB+rejuv offsets it for sure). And the HoTs help with spike damage, so the higher effective health pool in bear form should not be an issue.

For me, going bear is not a good option since I'm responsible for keeping the tanks up during fel rage. Going bear feels like you give the other healers a ton of extra work by picking up your slack.

I guess if you run with 10 healers, going bear is an option. But not when you run with 7

We've been running with 8 healers for quite some time(normally 2/2/2/2, or 2d/2pr/3s/1pa). I think the only time we had 9 was our first couple of BB kills, but past that, we really haven't had the option of running with more than 8 healers, because we're a fairly casual group and have had some difficulty keeping healers due to real life stuff. I've been using bearform probably because I was slightly undergeared when we hit BB first-barely 2k healing, 250 mp5, and ~300 spirit. Now, with actual gear... I can probably try healing myself for a greater effect.

I've only died to a fel rage once, and that was because of the strange 0 health glitch that happens sometimes. I went from 100% with fel rage, and then died the moment it wore off-I think I took a melee hit at that exact moment.

If we ran with 7 healers... I'd probably have to heal myself.

Hi all,

Long time reader, first time poster. I am a very new resto Druid (previously raiding as a prot warrior), with this toon only being 70 for about 2 months. I have read alot of the articles here and at other well known resources, trying to do my best to quickly gear up and learn (naturally alot of ability comes through experience and experimentation).

My guild currently takes down the first 4 bosses in BT and MH (we took down Teron Gorefiend for the first time last week). I just spent my badges of the Badge chest piece (to replace the heroic Ramp chest piece I had).

Looking at my current gear, the next 3 items I have targeted to obtain is [Vindicator's Band of Salvation] for a stam set, [Essence of the Martyr] and [Redeemer's Alchemist Stone] (once I have the sha'tar rep to buy [Recipe: Alchemist's Stone] (current trinket's are [Lower City Prayerbook] and [Oshu'gun Relic].

Upon inspection, you might notice I have a number of PVP items, this offers good healing and Stam which has helped me get to a stage where I can survive the earlier bosses in BT and MH. Obviously this gimps my spirit somewhat, but it was a quick way to get to a survivable level.

To my limited understanding of the class, my current focus is to try and maintain my current +heal while increasing (in order of preference), my stam (removing stam from the list once I hit about ~8.5 unbuffed, I currently sit at 7774 currently), spirit and then int and finally +heals.

I am pretty happy with my spec but the honest truth is I have a limited knowledge of the class, so I may not be reaching my full potential.

For the 25 man content, I tend to either play the role of either dedicated Tank healer (when we have 3 or 4 tanks running), or in cases of 1 tank, usually rolling 3 LB and Rj tank and help spot heal the raid.

I am usually able to run Kara once a week, though I am not able to see much of ZA at the moment.

I believe my current gearing path and spec serve me well for the instances I raid (with consideration to my limited experience) however if there are any experience raiding tree's who might have some feedback, it would be greatly appreciated.

I'm at 8.3k unbuffed and I've found it to be pretty comfortable assuming you get Kings and Fort. I think a good mark to shoot for is somewhere in the low- to mid-10000s buffed.

Thanks for the feedback, I very much appreciate it. I think I will adjust my target to 8K unbuffed stam.

For badge items, I had been looking at getting [Essence of the Martyr] as I believe I would find the use function better over the [Battlemaster's Perseverance]. But I have added [Voodoo Shaker] to my badge shopping list too.

Good news last night too, I was able to replace my PvP boots with the [Boots of the Divine Light] which is a great upgrade (especially in spirit).

As for some of the other items, I am going to jump into warcrafter for an hour or 2 and twiddle with how they modify my stats but thanks again for your feedback and suggestions.

We are learning Archimonde at the moment, and I am experimenting to find out if treeform is a worst of better choice (I have boar's speed on my boots). Still undecided personally, I can see pro's and cons for both. When reading up, it seems like this comes down to personal preference, does anyone have any thoughts or insights over which would be better for this fight (treeform or not)?

Archimonde is one of the few fights I don't even consider tree form. Between the constant movement away from fires (that seem to move at or maybe even a little faster then normal speed not to mention the slowed tree form) and the need to decurse quickly and often (making switching between caster and tree cost more mana then you would save with your hots) it is better just to forsake tree form in that fight IMHO.

If you stay in caster form, you can:

+ Move faster
+ Decurse without having to shift back

but
- Heals cost more mana
- lose ToL aura

The benefits clearly outweigh the cons - there's no need to cripple yourself (even if you have boar's speed) to conserve mana you won't be using anyway.