Feral Powershifting: macros, thresholds, mana management - Page 13

Astrylian · 06/25/08, 11:17 AM

You're doing something massively wrong if you're losing OOC procs when you powershift.

Shifting doesn't use up Clearcasting.

Spookeh · 06/25/08, 11:29 AM

Indeed

"The Clearcasting state reduces the Mana, Rage or Energy cost of your next damage or healing spell or offensive ability by 100%."

angi · 06/25/08, 11:32 AM

You are right, just tested it on some mobs shifting doesn`t consume the ooc procc, because its not an offensive attack or heal.

seminarca · 06/25/08, 8:47 PM

To address mana concerns, you can make multiple macros to change the thresholds. E.g. make one that sets them to 14/18/14 and hit that if you're not worried about mana. Make another one that sets them to 11/11/11 and hit that if you're running low and might be called on to shift out and Battle Res, Tranq or Innervate. Make another one to disable powershifting entirely.

Then, during the fight, you can adjust your shifting strategy based on what's going on. You have control of when you want to go all out and not care about mana (Enrage is imminent, you've already used Battle Res and Innervate, time to spend all that mana!) and so on.

sal · 06/26/08, 6:23 PM

For reference and mana calculation ferals seem to have the following options at their disposal.

MP5-modified-feral.xls - FileFront.com

Intensity Talent - 30% spirit regen 5-sec rule
Natural Shapeshifter - -30% shapeshifting cost

(standard buffs)

Arcane Intellect
Blessing of Kings
Blessing of Wisdom
Mark of the Wild
Well Fed: 20 Spirit (coupled with agi food)
Judgement of Wisdom**

(optional buffs)

Divine Spirit
Mana Spring Totem
Flask of Distilled Wisdom
Flask of Restoration
Elixir of Draenic Wisdom
Elixir of Mastery
Elixir of Major Mageblood
Well Fed: 8 MP5 (coupled with 20 stam)
Mana Oil

I have not seen too much discussion on feral oom with standard buffs. I am interested in seeing how intensity and natural shifter increase oom time. Also curious on how mana oil compares to weight/righteous stones to increase shifting energy values.

Value of mageblood as second elixir?

The math is beyond me unfortunately.

Frank78 · 06/27/08, 3:10 AM

Hello, just a quick question, I downloaded FeralKit addon yesterday, but I was not able to use it.
I read the txt file, the mod is enabled and the treshold is set, but when I use /run ps() in my macros the powershift do not work. Anyone had a similar problem? I did something wrong?

Frank

Demiah · 06/27/08, 3:37 AM

If you read back to earlier in this post (i'm sure it was here) someone was saying this other file you need, Ace Lib 2 or something similar? I downloaded it with another addon and Feralkit just started to work for me.

I dont use the powershift function of it personally. I found the macro's better because you can set individual threshold for individual abilites and can set modifiers to activate trinkets and haste pots.

Also frank, i would advise you not to sign your posts, or you face an infraction most likely.

phellan · 06/27/08, 8:02 AM

Sal: I was under the impression that while being in cat/bear form we are out of the 5 second rule all the time, so there will be no benefit from the Intensity talent?

Demiah · 06/27/08, 8:40 AM

Even if intensity did effect us, i dont think unless your only a dps druid you could manage to find 3 points for intensity. I suppose you could use a mana regen guardian elixir though, since their is no such item for our dps increase unless your using flasks.

Frank78 · 06/28/08, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Demiah

If you read back to earlier in this post (i'm sure it was here) someone was saying this other file you need, Ace Lib 2 or something similar? I downloaded it with another addon and Feralkit just started to work for me.

I dont use the powershift function of it personally. I found the macro's better because you can set individual threshold for individual abilites and can set modifiers to activate trinkets and haste pots.

Also frank, i would advise you not to sign your posts, or you face an infraction most likely.

Thanks for the tip Demiah, I'll look about that Ace Lib.
Ehm, what's wrong about the sign? I think I missed this rule

Demiah · 06/28/08, 11:17 AM

Take a read of Elitist Jerks - Announcements in Forum : Class Mechanics. Down the page look for Boethius's post, the part relevant for you reads:

If you "sign" your posts, you will be mocked. You have a profile in which you can and should put all relevant information such that it already appears next to every post. Personally I think the mockery itself and the herd mentality that gives rise to it are as stupid as the thing being mocked, but nevertheless, you don't want to type your name or your initials or some fancy symbol at the bottom of every post. People here will probably ignore what you posted and just make fun of you. It's like being a fat kid.

I believe you did recieve a warning for that post, so just watch out for future reference Frank.

Melthar · 06/29/08, 1:17 AM

Originally Posted by phellan

Sal: I was under the impression that while being in cat/bear form we are out of the 5 second rule all the time, so there will be no benefit from the Intensity talent?

Shifting in to bear/cat counts as casting a spell for the purposes of the 5SR, so if you're powershifting a lot intensity does benefit in that regard.

Briway · 07/03/08, 12:05 PM

I've recently started trying the powershifting macros from the first page of this thread (in shred with an energy cutoff of 18), and I'm seeing a problem I haven't read about. I appear to be losing energy ticks.

For a normal powershift, an ability will bring my energy down to below 18 (say to 10) and I'll hit the button. I'll see my energy bar briefly drop down to 0, then go up to 40 as Furor kicks in.

Reasonably frequently, however, I'll see the energy bar go from 10 to 30, back down to 0, and then to 40 after hitting the button.

Alternatively, after the energy drops to 0 my Energy watch indicator will tell me there has been another energy tick but nothing happens, then my energy goes up to 40.

In either case I appear to be losing energy ticks. I have not been noticing any lag problems when this occurs. Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a way to fix it?

Astrylian · 07/03/08, 12:13 PM

Spam the button faster

Suppose you're doing a Mangle for 40 energy, you currently have 30.

Time 0: You get an energy tick, bringing you up to 50.
Time 0.01: You're spamming your button really fast (or timing it really well), and cast your Mangle at this point, starting a 1sec GCD, and dropping you to 10 energy.
Time 1.01: You're still at 10 energy, and the GCD wears off.
Time 1.02: You're spamming your button really fast (or timing it really well), and you tell the server you want to powershift.
Time 1.22: (Assuming a 200ms ping) You actually powershift. You have 0 energy
Time 1.52: You get the Furor energy, giving you 40.
Time 3.22: You get the next energy tick, giving you 60.

If you're seeing yourself at 10, and then flash to 30 briefly before powershifting, it means that double your reaction time (0.01 in above example) plus your ping (0.2 in the above example) is greater than 1sec. You say you don't have bad lag, so you probably just need to spam the button faster.

sal · 07/03/08, 12:31 PM

indeed, if you are a dps druid there are 6 optional points I figure at our disposal. For full cat I would only consider natural shifter, nurturing instincts, and intensity.

Full dps would want to consider intensity and natural shifter, I assume one powershifts close enough to every 5 seconds. Fully buffed I assume 150-200 mp5 from spirit, 66mp/5 while powershifting within the 5 second rule with intensity.

From curiosity does anyone have records or comparisons they have made by changing powershifting conditions?