In 2.4, you could lose 25/50/75% from a partial resist on a mob 1-3 levels above you.
Since 3.0, it's 10/20/30% for mobs 1-3 levels above you. (It gets higher vs. red and skull mobs).

You still lose 2% damage per level on average.
So, since a partial is now a much smaller damage loss, you see them much more often to compensate.


It's all level based partial resists what I've seen so far, nothing that CoE/SpellPen gear would help with.

[Edit]: They changed Sapphiron to not be frost immune anymore to allow Death Knight tanking.
He has some resistance to compensate and still give him a frosty theme.

Kel'thuzad has no resistances, not has any other boss.
Feel free to check in a Naxx clear here: Wow Web Stats

Are Moonfury and Earth & Moon supposed to only be allowed 3 talent points in the spreadsheet? They each go up to 5 in game, to my understanding.

Spreadsheet reflects changes made on Beta which will go live for 3.0.3.

Gotcha! I assume the spreadsheets that predate the 3.0.3 changes will still work properly for the current patch, then. Also, I've been googling around a bit but haven't been able to find a set date for 3.0.3. Is there anything more solid than "some time before WotLK"? Granted, not that we have much time left...

To those asking about the benefits of CoE. nearly all the bosses have zero actually spell resists, only some obviously elemental bosses like sapphiron, supremus, etc. The partial resists you are seeing are all due to level-based resists that bosses get for being +3 to you. These resists are unmitigable so CoE would not benefit. CoE's only real use in raids is for the % damage bonus which E&M covers.

Ahh I see, thanks a lot greatly appreciated

I've been looking at the spreadsheet provided by Adorielle, but I can't seem to find out, what numbers are working and which are broken in the spreadsheet at the moment. 3.0.3 will be out soon, and I'll be switching from "easy" Starfire spam and keeping dots up to using Eclipse in my rotation.

I am guessing that with the improvements to Eclipse, 3/3 will be necessary, but do correct me if I'm wrong. I am also always keeping up Moonfire and Insect Swarm (Refreshing in eclipse - Yes/No?).

Would it be best to spam Starfire, switching to Wrath when Eclipse procs and then back to Starfire or the other way around (Spamming Wrath, switching to Starfire at Eclipse and then back to Wrath)? - I've also seen the SFx3 WxN rotation being mentioned a couple of places.

And if Wrath is the "filler" spell (meaning we spam Starfire during Eclipse) I am guessing that will change the value of haste for moonkins?

If noone has come up with anything when I wake up tommorow, I'll start experimenting with Simcraft to try and get some answers, but I'm really hoping someone smarter than myself has been doing some thinking on this subject already. If it's already covered in this thread I am terribly sorry, but I have been following it intensely for quite a while now.

Moonkin form mana regen removed for AE spells.

So after spamming hurricane on trashpacks you won't end with 100% mana, but pretty much oom. I have to agree they had to do something about it, but allways blizzard is drastic. I would have prefered the way they chanced OoC with AE spells, give it a (very) small chance to proc instead of no chance at all.

No this is not out of QQ about the 'oomkin', but with this change Starfall lost most of its appeal to me in pve. Sure you can still use it while running in on a bossfight (after using mf, is, typhoon and possibly treants) where aggro is not an issue on the pull, to get some extra damage off while running (starfall on 1 target averagely gives me about 5k dam from full duration, unglyphed ofc). And on AE fights using it before hurricane. But mainly I was using Starfall to get some mana back in all kinds of situation. Specced 3/3 moonglow, 0dreamstate, 0 in resto tree, which is fine in raids.

In pvp starfall is still great ofc, aoe stunns, ok damage,.. . But best of all is the ability to detect (+dam, +stun) all stealth around you, in a very large radius, quite unique in pvp atm.


So what is your opinion, would you keep starfall in your talentspec for pve?
Ignore AE heavy fights, cos it still has a long cd anyway...

I've heard that Starfall is acting as a Singletarget"aoe" so this spell will still give back mana if it crits. I have not been able to see for myself if its true though. But if anyone have hard evidence that shows im wrong i will take back what i've said.

Hmm, maybe the initial stars, but each star procs small AE damage, which ofc needs targets too hit. Maybe its halve true. We can check it tomorow anyway.

Yes it would be the initial stars and not the splash damage they do that would give mana back.