Kaug

I already respeced so... here is my armory which interestingly doesn't show any talents at all so the numbers are kinda low. Looks like no one's armory is showing talents right now.

on my character sheet (dps spec) right now i have, with mark
1232 spell power
117 hit
22.79 crit
227 haste
288/7 mp5 (lol 0 regen talents :P)

PS I'd link the WWS from that ZA but WWS doesn't support 3.0 yet

Edit
I've been playing with the target dummies in IF today. Just with my own buffs, keeping FF, IS and MF dot up with Starfall and treants once MF is stack up a bit and i'm hitting 2-2.2k every time (one time i did 2.5k but that run i was critting 52% with SF), probably a bit higher as MF keeps me in combat for a bit after i go oom. Rotation is FF, IS, SF+trinket macro, MF then SF spam refeshing IS and FF as needed and wrath on eclipse. BTW with 1 point in Eclipse the moonfire dot will stay up through an wrath unless it procs immediately on your first couple SFs

 

Nilaus

I was wondering where the break even point is in a multi mob pull between Single target DPS and Hurricaning.

It depends on gear of course, but my uneducated guess would be with 3+ mobs it is better total DPS to Hurricane instaed of SF.

EDIT: Napkin match: my Hurricane does around 600 normal and 900 crits, so lets call that 750 DPS. It seems that 3 targets would be sufficient to break even when it comes to DPS. That seems to indicate that for most of Kara and Heroics it would be mostly just Hurricaning everything and then SFing on bosses.
Add -20% attack speed and mana on crits and Hurricane looks quite appealing to me.

 

Frenzi

I know alot of people don't like Typhoon but I have to say I love it, I wish my dragonbreath was this good. Absolutely love using the 36yd range to it full advantage, shame the graphic looks so crap. I don't see how people could possible skip gale winds, it my not improve single target DPS but considering how much I am using Hurricane it is two points well invested.

 

Smultie

I was thinking about the following spec when I hit lvl80 and want to go raiding again:
Balance (55 points)

5/5 Starlight Wrath
3/3 Moonglow
2/2 Nature's Majesty
3/3 Nature's Grace
2/2 Nature's Reach
5/5 Vengeance
3/3 Celestial Focus
3/3 Lunar Guidance
3/3 Dreamstate
5/5 Moonfury
2/2 Balance of Power
1/1 Moonkin Form
3/3 Improved Moonkin Form
5/5 Wrath of Cenarius
1/1 Typhoon
1/1 Force of Nature
2/2 Gale Winds
5/5 Earth and Moon
1/1 Starfall

Feral Combat (0 points)

None

Restoration (16 points)

2/2 Improved Mark of the Wild
5/5 Furor
3/3 Natural Shapeshifter
3/3 Intensity
1/1 Omen of Clarity
2/2 Master Shapeshifter

Any thoughts?

 

Ulthwithian

Nilaus: I know this is completely anecdotal, but with my 67 Moonkin, with 4-5 targets, Hurricane seems to be mana-neutral or even regenerating mana, due to Moonkin form. I would imagine that at 70, it would be even better.

Please note: There is speculation that knockback effects (e.g., Typhoon) have a threat-affecting component. I've noticed this, again anecdotally, with both Thunderstorm and Typhoon.

 

manatee

It was pretty funny today, went UBRS for the Jenkins title, 50+ whelps downed by hurricane+starfall, first time we did it I started with about 2.5k mana (hurricane costs roughly 2k :p), and hurricaned to full o.O
The 2nd time we did it (helped a friend get title aswell) I started on exactly hurricane's cost and hurricaned to full, I love aoe situations

 

Smultie

How is it manaregenerating? You don't get mana for being hit, or am I missing something?

 

Ulthwithian

Smultie: The Moonkin form regenerates 2% of your max mana every time you crit, with no cooldown. Hurricane can now crit. Thus, say you have 10 targets, and a 30% crit rate. That means that, statistically, 3 targets will be crit every second, and you will thus gain 6% of your maximum mana every second while there's 10 targets.

 

Smultie

AAh, makes me feel dumb there Oo
That's what you get for not having played Moonkin for a couple of months ^^

 

Grimnork

Personally I went for this spec: clicky clicky


For more viable raiding I need some points in the +hit talents, but at the moment even without these points I am hit capped on bosses. It might be gear dependant.

 

Frenzi

Genesis is a terrible talent for moonkins, it has been put in the tree for Restos to spec to get to the higher tiers.

 

Balog

Can anyone confirm how starfall works vs a single target?

 

nakedduck

I tested this last night and with a single target you'll get only 10 "real" starfalls and 10 splash damage effects. Recount will show 20 starfall hits, but 10 of them are from the splash damage effect

 

Balog

Is this as intended, or will it be fixed in the patch that turns Moonfury and E&M into 3 pointers? Anyone on Beta that can test this?

Edit: also, do the falling stars crit, and if so do they proc mana regen?

 

skeldi

yes, and yes. the splash can crit too and those can also proc mana regen.

 

Balog

Awesome! Thanks for the testing guys. Do we have definitive numbers on the scaling yet? Also, what is the target cap for our AoE's?

 

nory

I wanted to share the latest DPS figures from my owl:


Brutallus with every raid buff and consumables.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f1...onkin30dps.jpg
2800DPS
I did take one Haste pot since its much better than destruction.
And I wore my old MArk of the Champion trinket.

Also our server has had a problem for the last 3 weeks where we lag (over 800ms ping).

So I look forward to the even better dps that will come when my ping comes back down to 60ms.

 

suntzzz

Does anyone have a build where gale winds is viable without sacrificing any crucial talents? Or is it best to not dump 2 points in it?

 

bodvarbjarki

It's not clear what you mean by "crucial talents". With 2/2 Gale Winds you'll out-AOE mages or locks. I did about 75% dmg more than anyone else on Felmyst skellies tonight. And my spec is still not ideal; I have points in Dreamstate that I'll pull out when I respec again, and I took a point in Owlkin Frenzy which is about as useless in most situations as you would expect.

I did 2740 dps on Brut last night (unbuffed stats: 1323 spellpower; 27.3% crit in moonkin; 9.2% haste). A mage came close but I was #1. My typical numbers before the patch were ~ 1500-1550 dps and about #8. I had a point in Eclipse and did switch to Wrath when it came up. The machine-gun aspect is quite entertaining.

 

Marauding Master

The more targets you'll aquire, the more crits you'll do, thus, more you'll regenerate. I had 2600 DPS from hurricane alone in MH. I'd nuke Necromancers and AoE to get full mana before the next pack.

I was wondering. Is crit still not worth gemming for? I gemmed full haste now and I've got over 300 now which makes my Starfires blazing fast but it's not that much use when I don't crit a lot. I have 20% crit selfbuffed and I'm concerned this might be low.

And are there indicators that putting 1 point in Eclipse and spamming Wrath increases your DPS?

 

Horao

Ok, so I sort of feel like a dummy if I missed the obvious, so I'll just ask it:

Does Owlkin Frenzy have no internal cooldown or cooldown associated with it?
I.e. it can proc back to back?

If so, seems like Owlkin Frenzy + Hurricane = win.


If so, it makes us very powerful aoe tanks, of sorts. I was running regular Ramparts with some random lowbies just to get the achievement (the game somehow thinks I didn't run it before), and basically I'd just aggro 3 packs and hurricane them to death. Starfall meant I could pull everyone within 30 yards, so that was a great / fun aggro tool along with the damage. Most of the time they died by the end of the first hurricane, but sometimes I had to do a second, which was simply typhoon -> hurricane. But if Owlkin Frenzy was proc'ing at 15% on 15 mobs hitting me, it'd always be up. Start with barkskin and never have pushback on hurricane until they were all dead.

Did I really miss something that obvious until now?

 

Nilaus

No internal cooldown.
and yes Owlkin Frency + Hurricane = win
Once you have a few mobs hitting you then you are immune to pushback until the they are dead.

 

Horao

Time to re-spec.

 

Frenzi

Well I had a run through BT last night and I found myself using Hurricane on virtually all the trash, I was getting between 3-5k DPS through most of it and we're going MH on Sunday and I really can't wait. I dominated all AoEing. I also came first on every boss I stayed alive on with the exception of Naj'entis where I came 2nd. 2.8k on Teron was the max DPS I had on any bosses.

This is the spec I had: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I have now changed to: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

I am still experimenting, but I will always make sure to take Galewinds, did a few heroics last night and 50% of my damage was coming from hurricane Also Typhoon is great for annoying Ret Paladins by knocking the mobs out of their consecration

I haven't specced IFF as we have no Feral druid and I am not sure it is worth casting FF but I will prolly try that in my next build, for this one I decided to spec Owlkin for a bit of fun

Eclipse really doesn't proc very often with only 1pt in I noticed, so far I have only tryed it out in a few heroics but it only procced a couple of times where it was actually useful.

 

Grimnork

5% extra moonfire dmg for total ticks of around 850 every 3 seconds, with the moonfire and starfire glyph.

45 dmg/3 sec = 15dps increase


indeed it might not look like much, but I didnt see any possilities to more effectively spend those points...