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Old 07/07/08, 5:43 AM   #211
Mynea
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Originally Posted by wuffles View Post
If things stay as they are, my talent selection for raiding at 80 will look like this.
The only direct-dps talents that you're missing there are Feral Aggression and Savage Fury; my back-of-the-envelope calculations* suggest that FA is worth less than 1% per point if we're using Ferocious Bite, while SF is worth between 2% and 3% per point if we're using Rake, about half that if we're not.

If rotations don't change it's just some damage off Mangle, but the worst case, that's 11%, which would be a distinct difference between cat-spec and bear-spec druids. In that event, it might be worth pulling points out of iLotP and something else to fill out at least Savage Fury, if not both.

* Assuming FB is worth about the same percentage of our damage as rip is now, Mangle stays the same, Rake is worth about the same as a Shred, and then rounding up.

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Old 07/07/08, 6:40 AM   #212
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new "inside" info on the pre-liminary desc for the dire cat form, that has been leaked on wiki.info druid forum. Do note that it is a preliminary detail so specifics will be fine tuned over time, but feral druids are been buffed in dps for cat form so they scale as good as any class at end game and so their dps in kitty form & gear matches any melee dpser rather than lags behind by 10% or more which is reported currently in live.

Dire Cat Form
Instant cast
35% of Base mana
Shapeshift into dire cat form, increasing melee attack power 110% of your agility, armor contribution from items by 180%, feral attack power contribution from your equipped weapon by 100%, and allowing Off-hand attacks. Also protects the caster from Polymorph effects and allows the use of various cat abilities.

The act of shapeshifting frees the caster of Polymorph and Movement Impairing effects.

Last edited by Cycloni : 07/07/08 at 7:01 AM.

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Old 07/07/08, 11:45 AM   #213
angi
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Originally Posted by Cycloni View Post
new "inside" info on the pre-liminary desc for the dire cat form, that has been leaked on wiki.info druid forum. Do note that it is a preliminary detail so specifics will be fine tuned over time, but feral druids are been buffed in dps for cat form so they scale as good as any class at end game and so their dps in kitty form & gear matches any melee dpser rather than lags behind by 10% or more which is reported currently in live.
Without the offhand attack thats roughly 15% more damage, if thats true i can only imagine that they want to put us on rogues levels. With all the buffs coming i feel really OP in arena and raids. This can only work if all other classes are similar buffed.

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Old 07/07/08, 12:09 PM   #214
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Hmm, the preliminary Dire Cat form seems rather overpowered on first impressions. From a PvP perspective, we'd be looking at an un CC-able mutilate-shadowstep rogue in mail, with 40% dodge, moving at 145% speed and able to output reasonable heals in a pinch.

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Old 07/07/08, 1:27 PM   #215
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I'm having a hard time believing it - especially since there doesn't seem to have been an alpha update yet.

I will say though, if this is true, we'd better buy ourselves a boat to stay afloat on all the rogue/warrior tears flooding the officials.

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Old 07/07/08, 1:49 PM   #216
Valerian
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Uh increases the feral attack power contribution of your weapon by 100%? Thats ridiculous. Applying that to my current Forest Lord staff would be as if I was wielding a 214 dps weapon. Feral AP is a greater % of our weapon damage than our base damage is now.

Unless, feral attack power is not applied at all to you if you don't have a qualifier like this (in which case this statement just allows the feral ap to "work").

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Old 07/07/08, 1:56 PM   #217
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I appreciate the attempt to be fair to other classes, but can we at least wait to try things out before we start calling feral buffs overpowered?

I'd be interested to see how they're handling the idea of an off-hand in forms. Will it be a different coefficient of a FAP staff, or (unlikely) are they considering off-hand itemization for ferals? The chance to have a form that can move more fluidly between casting and DPS does sound pretty good, though.

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Old 07/07/08, 3:48 PM   #218
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Originally Posted by Moof View Post
Hmm, the preliminary Dire Cat form seems rather overpowered on first impressions. From a PvP perspective, we'd be looking at an un CC-able mutilate-shadowstep rogue in mail, with 40% dodge, moving at 145% speed and able to output reasonable heals in a pinch.
But with a gouge that eats all your CPs, have to shift out to do your cast-time blind, no Cheat Death, no Cloak of Shadows, no Mace Stun, no Kick, and no Wound Poison. You'll move better than a rogue, but won't have the control.

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Old 07/07/08, 3:53 PM   #219
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It smells like an Enhancement Shaman with Shadowstep, Kidney Shot, Gouge and some added utility.

I like the idea of it, but so far I don't believe it as I simply haven't seen anything from the Alpha yet that includes a Dire Catform.

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Old 07/07/08, 4:12 PM   #220
Mijae
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Originally Posted by Duilliath View Post
It smells like an Enhancement Shaman with Shadowstep, Kidney Shot, Gouge and some added utility.

I like the idea of it, but so far I don't believe it as I simply haven't seen anything from the Alpha yet that includes a Dire Catform.
Dire Cat form was announced during the WWI class panels last week and tooltip was posted by players with access to the alpha.


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Old 07/07/08, 4:34 PM   #221
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The wiki poster who posted the tooltip claimed to have inside information and that Dire Cat Form is in the conceptual stage and not, in fact, anywhere in the alpha files.

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Old 07/07/08, 5:08 PM   #222
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I read similar in a few places, perhaps they were all based on the same possible [mis]information. If that is the case, it probably should not be discussed here as I think that puts it against the forum rules.

WotLK, Leaks, and You


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Old 07/07/08, 8:00 PM   #223
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Originally Posted by angi View Post
Without the offhand attack thats roughly 15% more damage, if thats true i can only imagine that they want to put us on rogues levels. With all the buffs coming i feel really OP in arena and raids. This can only work if all other classes are similar buffed.
What?

Rogues are dealing 2600dps. A 15% increase for Druids would still put them at below Enhancement Shaman levels (2070dps vs 2100dps for shaman)

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Old 07/07/08, 10:04 PM   #224
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I've got a question regarding feral dps, Now that Sunwell has arrived, is it better to use 2 Tier4 and 4 Tier6 than MH/BT/Sunwell random epics?

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Old 07/07/08, 10:10 PM   #225
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It's answered a couple of dozen times in the feral megathread (the place that isn't discussing WotLK), but the consensus was that, unless you were farming Kil'Jaeden were able to take every piece of DPS leather, you used 2t4/4t6, and if you did take every piece, you gained something like 50 dps.

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