Feral talents/abilities - WotLK discussion - Page 180

seminarca · 10/03/08, 7:30 PM

This is just what MMO Champion has posted, and I wouldn't necessarily trust it (especially since they've botched PotP changes recently). I'd wait until we can log in and see it in game.

♦ Regen · 10/03/08, 7:37 PM

Originally Posted by seminarca

This is just what MMO Champion has posted, and I wouldn't necessarily trust it (especially since they've botched PotP changes recently). I'd wait until we can log in and see it in game.

Trust it. People are going through the new build and posting changes on wotlkwiki.info right now.

Kachaka · 10/03/08, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by kalbear

Feral Aggression appears to be pretty good as a talent if you're using FB; I'm assuming that's also in use. At least for cats; for bears there's just too many other things to get, and it should only be gotten if you don't have imp demo shout in your raid.

With the change to infinite swipes I'd try very hard to get feral instincts into the build if you'll be tanking at all. Having the ability to hold AOE packs is going to be useful in any number of places but especially when you're doing 5-mans. At this point I'd probably ditch IW unless it's a requirement for your raid.

This is the way I am Planning to do it based on current data

I think its a nice mix with most of the bases covered.

kameelyan · 10/03/08, 8:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kachaka

This is the way I am Planning to do it based on current data

I think its a nice mix with most of the bases covered.

Why do I see so many people getting 2/2 iMotW? Leave that to your tree druids, those two points can better be spent elsewhere. Yea, in 5 man's you won't have it, but it isn't going to make/break the group.

After much review from everyone, I think this is going to be my hybrid spec when I hit 80 for offtanking. The build focuses mostly on tanking, but still gets the needed dps talents for when you won't be tanking:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

As raiding progresses, I'll probably switch to this. Build that provides higher dps mainly through king of the jungle but loss of dodge, which we can hopefully make up for through itemization.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Guess it'll just all depend on what role your guild needs you for, but I believe these builds will suit me fine.

Jone · 10/03/08, 9:16 PM

Originally Posted by kameelyan

Why do I see so many people getting 2/2 iMotW? Leave that to your tree druids, those two points can better be spent elsewhere.

Where else would you spend them? Since they broke powershifting, Furor is a very weak PvE talent. Might as well get the better Mark and use enrage if Furor doesn't proc.

Tappin · 10/03/08, 10:00 PM

People are taking 2/2 MotW because furor is so bad outside of pvp. At the very least, you can afford to go 4/5 furor. Remember that if you shift to cat with 80 energy and wait for a GCD, you'll have 95 energy. That last point of furor gives you 5 energy maybe 0-1 times per fight depending on how often you spend 10+ seconds out of cat form? If you spend 0-8 seconds, it really doesn't save you any energy. It doesn't take long to rebirth or innervate. You're pretty much gaining that energy only when you go from tanking to dps or spending an unusual amount of time doing tranquility or healing?

The last 2 points will give you 25 extra energy when you spend more than 10 seconds out of cat form.

Also remember that gift is getting a lot better at 80. If you don't have a resto druid around, +14 to all stats, 300 armor, and 21 to all resists isn't great, but it's arguably better than 40% chance at 10 rage and 25 extra energy in situations where you've been out of cat form over 10 seconds.

Deathwing · 10/03/08, 10:08 PM

Did everyone forget the bear side of Furor? Great talent for getting some rage before a pull(if you're below 10), or ensuring you have some rage to feral charge your target after breaking a root/snare.

Krag · 10/03/08, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Deathwing

Did everyone forget the bear side of Furor? Great talent for getting some rage before a pull(if you're below 10), or ensuring you have some rage to feral charge your target after breaking a root/snare.

With 3/5 Furor you'd just have to do an extra shifts to bear or two on occasion before a pull. Having rage after breaking root or snare might be a bigger problem, but they just upped the Growl range to 20y which will lessen the impact.

It might take a little to get used to playing in 5-mans without Furor at all as bear but for main tanking it shouldn't make a difference. The cat side of Furor just seems really weak if you aren't into PvP as a feral.

Kachaka · 10/03/08, 10:45 PM

Personally I took imp Mark because of the whole rage/dodge mechanic.

I know that it will take more agility per point to get the dodge back to current marks, but thats a ton of rage right there, not to mention swipe crits and more. Frankly I think rage starvation will mostly be a thing of single mob tanking, and even then its not that much of a hit.

I would rather have the extra edge in stats and armour now. But thats just me. I can see the other point of view, but I must say with the new swipe I plan on a lot less CC lol, of course it helps that I have a Pocket healer who travels with me.

kalbear · 10/03/08, 11:43 PM

Wait... what ? Have they gone completely mental ? First they state that on Magic AoE encounters Druids mitigate too much damage (the "Here Be Dragons"-type fights) and then they buff the no.1 culprit responsible for that one ?

I did say that Ghostcrawler was being totally sarcastic. For starters, bears don't mitigate close the amount of damage that death knights do on magic damage.

Soultrigger · 10/03/08, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Duilliath

Wait... what ? Have they gone completely mental ? First they state that on Magic AoE encounters Druids mitigate too much damage (the "Here Be Dragons"-type fights) and then they buff the no.1 culprit responsible for that one ?

Similare talent for rogues got buffed to 30%, it is just a side effect. But probably they will change that talent for us later on.

kalbear · 10/03/08, 11:52 PM

Similare talent for rogues got buffed to 30%, it is just a side effect. But probably they will change that talent for us later on.

I doubt it. It's not that big a deal if a bear tank takes a bit less AOE damage on some of the fights, especially given other types of tanks and what they take. The magic damage wasn't the problem; the problem was having 42k armor compared to 26k for plate wearers.

david0925 · 10/04/08, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by kalbear

I doubt it. It's not that big a deal if a bear tank takes a bit less AOE damage on some of the fights, especially given other types of tanks and what they take. The magic damage wasn't the problem; the problem was having 42k armor compared to 26k for plate wearers.

Having 37k armor while still maintaining 42% (assuming additive) or 39% magic reduction is pretty respectable. The old PI was fine in terms of mitigation, but this version seems pretty scary. While the AoE aura damage mitigation isn't a big deal, damage taken from frontal cone (since it's still aoe) will be.

Toranshalur · 10/04/08, 12:26 AM

Blue post just stated the new predatory instincts only works in cat form.

mmo-champion blue tracker

david0925 · 10/04/08, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by Toranshalur

Blue post just stated the new predatory instincts only works in cat form.

mmo-champion blue tracker

Does that apply to the crit damage bonus as well? If it does that's another 3 points that can be skipped by people going pure bear oriented talent builds?

I'm obviously not happy about getting nerfed, but I don't think this is too extreme in terms of balancing.

I will be a little concerned if PI's crit damage doesn't work in bear form since Prot warrior's threat/dmg is comparable to ours partially due to Impale.