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Old 10/24/08, 2:55 PM   #3271
tlbj6142
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Originally Posted by Astrylian View Post
Nothing beats iMangle for cat soloing.
Really? Even RnT?

Admittedly I currently have both as I'm 0/60/1 so RnT seems impressive as I use FB as my leveling finisher of choice now (Rake->Mangle*3-->FB usually does the job on the lvl 72 mobs above Shat [my testing zone]).

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Old 10/24/08, 3:01 PM   #3272
Rhaegal
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Not to mention the fact that Rend and Tear is only useful for cat soloing if mobs generally aren't even close to dead by the time you hit 4-5 CPs. If you're entering Northrend in greens and dungeon blues, that may be the case, but otherwise it'll likely only be useful for soloing elites. There are definitely talents I'd rather have.

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Old 10/24/08, 3:59 PM   #3273
tlbj6142
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Originally Posted by Rhaegal View Post
Not to mention the fact that Rend and Tear is only useful for cat soloing if mobs generally aren't even close to dead by the time you hit 4-5 CPs.
So, you are suggesting not using a finishing move, just mangle the mob down?

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Old 10/24/08, 4:27 PM   #3274
halmmar
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That, or FB without rend and tear.

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Old 10/24/08, 4:31 PM   #3275
Rhaegal
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My point was that if a 4-5 CP FB non-crit kills the mob (or close to it), you gain nothing from RnT for cat grinding. For me, most level 70-71 mobs tend to die either before I even hit 4-5 CPs or after hitting FB and way overkilling them, even without RnT, and my gear is just a little ZA + a little badge + a little Kara + a couple lingering high quality blues.

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Old 10/24/08, 5:52 PM   #3276
mesullivan
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Originally Posted by Rhaegal View Post
Not to mention the fact that Rend and Tear is only useful for cat soloing if mobs generally aren't even close to dead by the time you hit 4-5 CPs. If you're entering Northrend in greens and dungeon blues, that may be the case, but otherwise it'll likely only be useful for soloing elites. There are definitely talents I'd rather have.
I doubt it. My bear is currently plowing through outlands at lvl 65, wearing blues and greens with one epic (X11 goggles) aimed at hybrid tanking. Generally on the occasions I get to 5CPs, the mobs are already dead, or so close it's not worth wasting a finishing move on them. I rip after 3-4 CP and move on (or FB if nothing else is close). I suppose I could move into the highest zones already and start fighting orange mobs, then they probably wouldn't die so quick. But I always find leveling goes faster fighting green and yellow mobs because things don't zerg you as much and you just go where you want and never stop rampaging. I want to finish all the CE quests anyway, that alone plus some instance runs seems to be enough to outlevel the content massively. I think I may get to 70 on this guy without doing a single quest hub where I don't need the rep.

If I can get him a few good bits of kara/ZA/badge gear before the expansion, I'm guessing he'll be even more OP than he is now in early northrend. Let alone if I were already raiding T6 with him. My mage never got close to Sunwell (can't do it even post nerf, we were only 1/2 way through T6 when patch hit), but he takes out lvl 72 normal mobs like they are so much newspaper to light on fire, and my cat is now doing dps similar to what my mage did at this level, even though I have a bear build and avoidance/stam gear.

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Old 10/24/08, 11:42 PM   #3277
nightcrowler
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Originally Posted by TheNameLessOne View Post
nightcrowler - are you still assuming SR stacks with unleashed rage in your simulations?
Yes.From your question I must assume that they didn't fix it. Druids on beta should really do a chaos for that.

If thge don't fix it the theorical dps goes down from 4820 to 4740.
Edit: with the Tiger Fury nerf we are at 4705 now.



A for HH I've easly done it with only a blue geared Spriest other than me, probably I can solo him but not tried yet.

Last edited by nightcrowler : 10/25/08 at 12:09 AM.

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Old 10/24/08, 11:53 PM   #3278
Davaeorn
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Tiger's Fury (Rank 6) now increases damage done by 80 (down from 131). Rank 5 now increases damage done by 60. (Down from 77)

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Old 10/25/08, 1:37 AM   #3279
Brute
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Originally Posted by nightcrowler View Post
Yes.From your question I must assume that they didn't fix it. Druids on beta should really do a chaos for that.
Honestly there's probably zero chance that we're going to get a SR stacking with UR right now. Currently the two buffs dont stack and theyre *still* trying to slightly adjust cat dps downward.

Although I wouldnt be surprised in the least that *if* cat dps starts to fall over in future raid tiers that they allow the two to stack as one potential'fix'...

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Old 10/25/08, 11:26 AM   #3280
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Originally Posted by Brute View Post
Honestly there's probably zero chance that we're going to get a SR stacking with UR right now. Currently the two buffs dont stack and theyre *still* trying to slightly adjust cat dps downward.

Although I wouldnt be surprised in the least that *if* cat dps starts to fall over in future raid tiers that they allow the two to stack as one potential'fix'...
Are they really trying to tune cat dps down? The only change i saw was to tiger's fury, which could arguably produce a lot of burst, which is why they changed ret paladin skills. It might have been pre-emptive nerfing for pvp because 131 damage is a ton on such a short cooldown.

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Old 10/25/08, 11:56 AM   #3281
Brute
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re: the 10% armor buff to raid bosses

WotLK Beta (US-English) Forums -> Cats and the 10% more armor on bosses...

It will hurt Feral dps, but we also needed to hurt Feral dps a little. Cats with a cat spec really hurt stuff now.

It will be a slight threat nerf to bears and warriors (and DKs and paladins slightly less) but tank threat is so enormous right now, that we don't think it will be a big deal.

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Old 10/25/08, 1:30 PM   #3282
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Snare and Root issues

"4. Immune to polymorph and can break all roots and movement impairment effects."

In regards in to this statement, I have found that my ability to "un-impair" myself seems to be signficantly reduced in BG and Arena play.

It's not entirely clear if the recent server instability (ie. lag) has some role to play or that stuns such as rogue's stuns and retribution pally's stuns still remain unbreakable (without the pvp trinket). But overall, I found my survivability as a pvp feral (bear-form or cat-form) to be markedly reduced.

I'm no longer the dedicated WSG runner for example. My role is primarily back-up dps and healing. (Don't even get me started on how resto shammies kill me with ease...)

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Old 10/25/08, 1:53 PM   #3283
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I think it's just all the extra stuns you're seeing. There's a lot more ret paladins running around, frost mages got a new stun, etc etc.

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Old 10/26/08, 4:15 AM   #3284
Merendel
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Agreed, it is mostly the stuns, both from new talents and the excess of ret pallies. Despite the nerfs ret still melts faces very quickly at 70. It is not so bad at 80 on the beta but right now don't even bother attacking one you wont win as feral without backup. Mages have gotten somewhat worse as indicated above. On the bright side we can now viably take out a warlock that isn't afk every 3 minutes.

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Old 10/26/08, 9:12 PM   #3285
Boevis
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Stuns aren't classified as a movement impairment, nor are fears, nor are incapacitates (nor is JoJ X( ) I really think that, having lost the bonus health, Berserk needs to have the Beast Within effect put back in, but i guess this is a discussion for the PvP forum.

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