The proper question is, who gives a crap about the exact values of threat? Really now. It's kind of impossible to lose aggro to something else than another tank after 3.0.

The numbers are 10 pages back or so, but swipe becomes better then lacerate when your average swipe hits for 531 or more, at level 80.

Perhaps I'm doin' it rong, but I haven't found this to be true. Or maybe you meant once aggro is established and you have some rage?

My 67 bear can hold against geared 70s now, as long as they give him time to hit and get hit (or dodge). But it's hard to get that initial aggro snap unless you start with a 30+ rage. Admittedly, not harder than pre-patch, but we are still vulnerable to aggro hounds who dps right away, while from what I've seen, other tanks are far less so. FFF threat helps, but it's not quite enough. I had a couple pulls go ugly when my first white hit missed. I was very glad for ranged growl and a smaller CD on challenging roar.

I'm coming to a different conclusion. When you get pretty much every talent that effects FB plus the 15% from T6 it easily out damages mangle even at two combo points. While doing questing in Netherstorm and SMV this weekend I was killing most mobs with FFF, rake, mangle, FB. The rake is purely an enabler for RnT since it is ticking 0-1 times. But even treating rake + FB as a 70 energy combined ability, it was still doing about 50% more damage per energy compared to mangle.

And the beauty of going with this build is that it only gets stronger as the mobs get more hitpoints (which I'm assuming will be the case in Northrend) because it allows you to add a mangle to your sequence. So your 2-4 combo point FBs become a rare 3 and mostly 4-5 point FBs. Also, you no longer have any danger of wasting any excess energy on FB because R, M, M, FB is 128 energy and you'll have a total of 130 energy after the three seconds of regen you'll get while doing R, M, M.

From what I've seen mongoose is best for both by a very slight margin.

My druid is in t6 gear and since the patch I've seen a huge increase in threat and cat dps. Pre-patch I was getting maybe 1800 dps max and now I've done 2400-2500 fairly consistently using 4pc t6 and 2pc t4 (with a feral druid tank to keep up mangle). I go 0-50-11 (pure cat spec) and keep up rake and rip using shred in between. If you ever reach 5 CP with 8+ seconds left on rip (rip is 16 seconds now with the glyph) use ferocious bite then tiger's fury and get back up to 4-5 CP for your rip. As far as tanking goes...pretty much nothing should ever be able to pull aggro on a boss, maybe on aoe damage though. I consistently reach 3k+ sustained single target tps, spiking to 5k during berserk. While having to respec between cat-feral and bear-feral is annoying, the fact that our dps is actually respectable is a nice change, threat is never an issue anymore, and we actually have some ability to save ourselves when our healers aren't quite going to.

Don't forget that damage has been buffed considerably too. It is possible for some classes to pull aggro - admittedly it's a lot harder than before but nonetheless possbile.

Although Blizzard have mentioned that they wanted to remove much of the threat balancing act, it's still there in raw terms and I expect once that everyone is level 80 and geared up it will be a lot closer than it is at the moment.

Well, I'd say "mission accomplished" then. You're saying that both sub-specs work at a competitive level, which was part of the mission statement for 3.0 druids, and both lore and mechanics-wise, having bear and cat druids be similar but not identical is great.

They were removed a long time ago. Blizzard has stated they still want to give us the ability to change our form appearance some time in the future, but decided to not do that through Glyphs.

Hey guys this will be a few dumb questions so bare (I made a funnah!) with me please.

1) How much better is the [Treads of the Den Mother] over the [Footwraps of Wild Encroachment]? I notice it is an armor boost (which is big) but it seems like a fairly large effective health loss.

2) My guild sadly does not want to do SSC anymore so I will not have a chance at the [Wildfury Greatstaff] before the expansion, but I may yet have a chance at the [Pillar of Ferocity]. My question is should I use my [Staff of the Forest Lord] or [Earthwarden] to tank? It seems like a big threat loss if I switch to the [Earthwarden].

Sorry but what is Rawr? I assume it is some kind of program for weighing stats but I have never been one for computations and all kinds of numbers, and honestly Parma ... why the attitude? Sure I may have been able to do alittle more research but I guess I'll google it =(