I am blind. Argh.
The purple shiny thingy deceived me.

On the cat leveling tactics. I expect to do some instances in WotLK. Since most my tanking gear is T4 I have specced tanking. I will loose some dps, but since I will try leveling together with my Girlfriend who is balance druid tanking seemed more appropriate.
My current tactics on dailies is cat, even with tanking spec. Just mangle till they are dead. Not often I have to use FB (depends on level). FFF + mangle is good. but also charge + Mangle is nice. Even faster cause you save time on travel!
Dpssing as bear is not really an option. Speed is just 100% (and not increased). Mostly you are fighting one mob. However if you get multiple mobs, bearform with the new Swipe is very good. If berserk is ready you can choose to go bear and get 4 or 5 mobs and nuke em down.

Ranassha, as I said earlier it might be a good idea to have 2 threads, but instead of 2 similar threads follow blizzards forum approach. Split the druid thread in DPS and Tanking.
Cooperate with Dukes and make 1 combined opening statement or make 2 opening statements, let the discussion begin on comment on those.
And as I said, (beaten to it by Astrylian) split em in Cat and Bear.

That would still leave us with the only potential of a single block per GCD and auto attack. This would be much weaker than shield block. If a shield user has 30% block chance he has a 30% chance to block each swing from the 10 mobs he's tanking. he could reasonably expect 3 blocks every 1.5s if that was the mob's swing time, if the RNG is nice it could be all of them. Your method we would have 1 block every 1.5s (swipe would always proc it with 10 targets) and possibly a second block if maul crit. Unless the crits could build up charges of block it would not scale with number of targets like shield block does.

First time poster, long time reader.

I support the splitting of the new thread into separate DPS and tanking threads. Would make it easier to find relevant information.

The removal of FAP would be a pleasant change. They could also allow us to use pole arms again instead of fist weapons. Fist weapons do looks cool and all but we can't see them in forms any way. Also we have very similar weapon stat desires with hunters and it would be good to share weapons. What with the stated desire to consolidate drops.

The ILotP no cd idea is excellent. Very original and would help greatly but as stated most likely need to be slightly modified.

AP --> armor conversion is solid. Between the two changes it would be a great way to enable bears to have better scaling and still have unique mechanics. As I have no desire to simply be a furry warrior.

I'm personally not too fond of the idea of 2 separate threads. For me Cat and Bear are still very much tight together and i think alot of Ferals will strongly consider using the "other" feral build as their secondary spec once that feature becomes available.

In any case, i've started updating dukes' original FDM opening posts with WotLK info. That stuff is already divided in a cat and bear section, so the final decission on 1 or 2 threads can be done once i'm done writing the updates.

Hello!

My "dps" gear is 4/8 t6 and 2/5 t4 for the bonus. When can i change the t4 pieces for higher dps? I didn't play on the beta and I just checked the healer gears
btw i was resto and i'm not really updated my knowledge about feral druid dpsing so maybe there are some better items atm then the t4

Thanks!

First of all, 2 t4 proc chance will decrease as your level increase, reaching 0% at 70. Second, 2 piece T4 isn't really worth it when you're spending more time running around. So what I'd do is change those t4 to better pieces right now if you're able, or as soon as you enter wrath.

I know I personally am currently running 2t4, 4t6 and right around the hit cap with a draenei (which i'll also have leveling with me) and planning on dropping the 0 +hit peices of t4 for s4 gear with a bunch of +hit when my hit % drops low enough to justify it. If i can get a t6 belt this week though, I'll be doing 4s4/4t6 all the way to 80 probably. For leveling, runspeed is just vastly better. The only reason I don't do that anyway is I do have to wait for the hunter I'm leveling with to catch up.

For me the no cooldown on ILotP is the best option. It gives us the benefit of scaling with almost all the stats that appear on the gear that is meant to be used by druids, and it also removes the need to have to use two different sets of gear. The health % healed should be modified to match the values of the blocking mitigation of shield tanks.

I don't think that overhealing would really be an issue. Overhealing would be similar to the case in which a warrior dodges an attack, all his block rating was useless for that swing. Think of ILotP as a permanent HoT on the bear, that gets more frequent and stronger as the gear scales.

First time poster...

Thanks to David for the information about the 2 tier 4 proc, I didn't know that it's going to be useless. I'm going to be doing my leveling in 4/5 PvP gear (partial brutal/vengeful) due to the speed increase, but with the amount of competition there's going to be on any quest mobs, it'll help with the opposite faction just in case...

I really can not see a downside to splitting the two up and I can only see perfectly logical reasons in favor of splitting them up.

The feral talent tree is a mix of 2 specs. If you want to go tank you learn the ones most important to tanking (you don't even look at cat form) and vice-versa.
Since 3.0 there are not 3 talent trees but 4 since the difference between cat or bear has become much bigger. Dpssing in bear spec will nerf your DPS very much.

You say the gear for feral druid is about the same either cat or bear. True. The same can be said for balance and healing. No reason to mix the two together now is it?

There will be a lot of people from hybrid classes that will spec healing and dps, healing and tanking or dps and tanking.
Talking pve: Very useful for raids and also very useful for instances. Missing a healer you will heal. Missing a tank? Tank! Etc.
Talking pvp: Whole different ballgame. Better look that up in the PVP section of the forum.
For healing/tank people; cat dps is not important. Let them at least have the option to read only information relevant for tanking? Same goes for cat dps.

As it is for most of us here now, we love cat and bear equally. No one prevents us from following both threads.

Please tell me about the downsides to splitting them up.

Just a minor typo correction, this should read "reaching 0% at level 80". The downward scaling of the 2T4 proc percentage is from 4% at 70 to 0% at 80 at a rate of -0.4% per level.