Feral talents/abilities - WotLK discussion - Page 35

Falk · 07/26/08, 3:59 AM

That's pretty odd that dodge didn't drop all that much. What's the ratio you're seeing? (@70, of course)

Astrylian · 07/26/08, 4:16 AM

Notice *why* dodge didn't drop... Check out my Dodge% while naked: almost 14%, instead of 8.4% on live. A tiny bit of that difference can be explained by SotF, but not alot. We're looking at just a 5% base boost to dodge.

tenshirou · 07/26/08, 4:28 AM

I have to ask this, were your live server stats copied while in caster form? I ask because you logged out of the live server naked and in cat form. You have 12.36 dodge. Which with the 4% dodge you get in shifted form matches your listed numbers. It also explains the oddity of having 50% more ap in the beta vs live. That aside, there does seem a slight increase in base dodge. 1% would fit closely to the base amount rogues get over us.

Astrylian · 07/26/08, 4:33 AM

All of those are in feral forms. "C" is Cat, "B" is Bear, others it doesn't matter. (Yes, 8.36% dodge on live naked IS in cat/bear). Armory has a bug that it applies the cat/bear bonuses twice.

Falk · 07/26/08, 4:36 AM

Ewps, guess I should have noticed that right away. Kings and GoA (and consumables, and gear upgrades) won't be as much of an avoidance gain anymore. Which is good. Pity about the crit rates though.. being able to (almost assuredly) bust through capped resilience for a 5pt rip with a single energy bar was awesome. :P

tenshirou · 07/26/08, 4:39 AM

That is interesting, both about the bug and the increase to base ap and dodge.

Druid-tankin · 07/26/08, 11:34 AM

I dont know if they added this in the new expansion , but what i am really missing with current bear form is a ability to break CC (from a range) while tanking. Blizzard should maybe look into implanting a spell that can do this.

Garanthir · 07/26/08, 12:36 PM

Do you guys think being able to gain 4% crit through talents (2/2 Master Shapeshifter) also led to us losing a bit of base crit?

joe_in_hell · 07/26/08, 1:24 PM

Shift out and use Moonfire?

wuffles · 07/26/08, 2:32 PM

Originally Posted by joe_in_hell

Shift out and use Moonfire?

"ability to break CC (from a range) while tanking"

meaning, while a mob is beating on you, without setting yourself up to be gibbed by being in caster for a GCD. I'm not sure its something we need, but it wasn't that hard to figure out what he was asking.

edit: One thing thats a little confusing for me about the feral charge (cat) ability...it doesn't break stealth but still dazes the target on cast? That could be fun simply to annoy people with if that's indeed the case.

Murwen · 07/26/08, 4:47 PM

Originally Posted by wuffles

edit: One thing thats a little confusing for me about the feral charge (cat) ability...it doesn't break stealth but still dazes the target on cast? That could be fun simply to annoy people with if that's indeed the case.

Yep, it still dazes if you do it while stealthed

joe_in_hell · 07/26/08, 4:53 PM

Well, but if you have already a load of mobs hitting you - why would you want to break the CC on another mob? And if you really want to, why can't you move towards him?
I see this as a very sitautional problem.

Apaine · 07/26/08, 7:04 PM

Originally Posted by wuffles

"ability to break CC (from a range) while tanking"

meaning, while a mob is beating on you, without setting yourself up to be gibbed by being in caster for a GCD. I'm not sure its something we need, but it wasn't that hard to figure out what he was asking.

edit: One thing thats a little confusing for me about the feral charge (cat) ability...it doesn't break stealth but still dazes the target on cast? That could be fun simply to annoy people with if that's indeed the case.

Yes, but much less annoying than rogue sap and distract. I mean it does have 30 sec cooldown.

Also let me answer the question for the ability to break CC. We already have that. No need for new ability. A simple macro allows you to instantly unshift and shift back to bear form. All is done client side, so there is no server lag.. and most important - you are not in caster form at any time (so can't be instagibbed).

Reason being is - unshifting to humanoid takes no GCD. So shifting right back is possibile and can be macroed in same cast. I'm not at my WoW computer, or I'd just post up the macro... but a simple visit to the appropriate feral tanking macro forum should set you up.

joe_in_hell - I think he meant breaking a CC on himself while tanking.... not break CC on another mob while tanking... former makes sense.. latter doesn't.

Druidiful · 07/26/08, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Apaine

Yes, but much less annoying than rogue sap and distract. I mean it does have 30 sec cooldown.

Also let me answer the question for the ability to break CC. We already have that. No need for new ability. A simple macro allows you to instantly unshift and shift back to bear form. All is done client side, so there is no server lag.. and most important - you are not in caster form at any time (so can't be instagibbed).

Reason being is - unshifting to humanoid takes no GCD. So shifting right back is possibile and can be macroed in same cast. I'm not at my WoW computer, or I'd just post up the macro... but a simple visit to the appropriate feral tanking macro forum should set you up.

joe_in_hell - I think he meant breaking a CC on himself while tanking.... not break CC on another mob while tanking... former makes sense.. latter doesn't.

Although shifting out of bear form does not cost a GCD, using something like moonfire does so you are stranded in caster form for 1.5 and while this is happening you lose all of your rage which forces the dps to wait a little longer than if we could break cc in bear form.

Edit to Apaine below: The only problem with feral charge is if the next group of mobs are too close and when you get into melee range they also get pulled or if the mob you are attacking fears and then you run into the next group of mobs which most likely would not have happened if you could have stayed at range.

Apaine · 07/26/08, 7:15 PM

Originally Posted by Druidiful

Although shifting out of bear form does not cost a GCD, using something like moonfire does so you are stranded in caster form for 1.5 and while this is happening you lose all of your rage which forces the dps to wait a little longer than if we could break cc in bear form.

In that case Joe_in_hell was right... why would you want to cast moonfire while tanking :P
If you're tanking and want to break something further away, a feral charge is sufficient typically. At least that's what I am using...