I, too, would love some ranged means to break CC. All they'd have to do is allow the application of FFF to break CC.

Making FFF break CC might solve this but i bet it will have some disadvantages too.

Feral charge can't be used in all situation (think multi patrols, quick pulling with CC(while tanking)). I was thinking more of a shoot ability (feral spit , anyone? ) that does minor ranged damage in feral form . Of course you can always pop out of bear form cast and back in but i don't like being out of form while a lot is going on. I don't think its too much to ask of, considering every other tank class has such a ability while tanking.

What are the Paladin and Warrior ranged, instant cc breakers?

Well, they're not instant, but warriors can shoot in defensive stance, and paladins have avengers shield- the point being that niether of which will make them vulnerable for a few seconds.

A paladin cannot block, parry, or dodge while casting avenger's shield. Honestly, I can think of 10 things I'd rather have than a ranged break in forms without stopping for breath -- is it just that there's no new info that we've gotten off on this track?

While we're on the topic of ferals in the expansion, I thought I'd share some ideas on cat form dps scaling but didnt feel a new thread was necessary.

As it is, we get very little reward from haste, hit (abundance of it seen so far in beta), and armor penetration. What I propose to fix all 3 of these is 2 changes.

1. Master Shapeshifter talent (btw cant this be merged with Natural Shapeshifter?): Instead of giving 4% crit, give it 4% chance on white hit to give 20 energy. No PPM, no internal CD, just 4%. Suddenly haste becomes useful since more hits translates to more yellows, which in turn is more dps.

Armor penetration then becomes useful too. With savage roar, which I'm assuming will be used in the rotation in the same manner as a rogue's SnD, we'll be doing twice as many shreds per rotation. 2-3 to get SR up, 2-3 to get rip up, possibly more if our crit rates are lowered (agility conversion nerf) but thats another issue all together.

I dont really know how item budget is calculated, but I'd guess a 4% proc would be worthy of a static 4% stat increaser. I know I'd take it any day, this would also fix the lowered crit rate 'issue' too. It'd scale regardless of gear!

2. Hit conversion. We've already seen a passive class conversion in Paladin's Spiritual Attunement. That converts heals they receive into mana. If we could convert say 1/4 or 1/2 of our over hit % into crit percentage that'd have a double benefit. It'd make use of the abundance of hit thats appearing on the new gear, and increase the lowered crit rates we're getting due to the agility nerf. Say the cap stays at 9%, but because of all the rogue gear we're wearing we round up 13%, that's 4% over... let us convert 1% or 2% of that into extra crit percentage. That way hit still has *some* value in our AP Equiv calcs.

Or is there some other magical method coming to allow cats, bears and rogues to share the same gear despite different stats being required?

I posted this in the suggestions section of wow forums already but got extremely little response. Do the better-skilled people of EJ think my suggestions are too strong, too weak or otherwise?

Honestly, with how dependant we have become on using 2pT4 in every aspect of BC PvE, I am suprised it hasnt popped up in talents already. But for the love of god please dont stick it in that mastershapshifter talent, Our feral tree has so much "I Need it" talents that I still havent figured out a theorycrafting build id be happy with.

I think there's a deliberate focus on not making tanks significantly more survivable. Look at the 70-80 talents for other tank classes and you will notice that, like druids, almost all of the new talents are related to more damage, control, and threat. There is very little that extends time to live.

We did get one huge change you didn't mention. We gain 65 defense or over 150 defense rating (more at 80!) worth of item budget for free with the new SotF. That's a pretty huge change.

Will it be enough? Who knows. I am worried about agi changes and how they can make rogue gear work for bear form or plate (defense, parry block) tanks share non-armor slot items with us. But, I don't think druids are singled out as getting very little extra survivability in the expansion.

According to a Feral beta user, IW does not work on boss mobs. So, that frees up 3 points. Though, I still come up short of what I like to get.

Too bad IW doesn't have much use in PvE, I really wanted it for a little BG PvP and/or solo questing.

I am sorry if someone allready asked and got answered this question but i couldn't find it tho i serched. If someone could point out where that is i would be very gratefull.

I played arround with Wotlk talent tree to get a feral druid build for Tanking/Dps comparable to now ( TBC ) one. But i can't put it together withoult loosing on dps/tanking either way... Basecly i am looking for all arround feral build for Wotlk. I know nothing is final for talents and skills etc. but i just like to play arround with talent tree's .

Primal Tenacity

Now reduces the duration of Fear effects by 10/20/30%
And reduces all damage taken while Stunned by 10/20/30%

Not to bad for pvp

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