Rend and Tear really feels like cat talent to me right now. Yes, it will give maul some extra damage/threat, but we'll get double that from Savage Fury now (without any situational requirements) and I expect that the "causes a high amount of threat" will mean a static threat value and the extra Maul damage won't be as important relatively (I doubt they'll go with a threat multiplier on Maul again seeing how it turned out last time).

I don't really have a problem with OoC only proccing from auto-attacks. It'll mean we won't get free swings in situations where we are queuing up Maul, but these are normally high rage situations where free swings aren't really important. This of course might change depending on how high threat Maul is comparatively to other skills, but I expect we'll follow about the same tanking pattern as now.

Probably had to be done to be able to give us Enchants/Procs in forms.

The way I see it, the changes to Savage Fury neutered Rend and Tear; thereby, giving us 3 more talent points. Now I can even take 1/3 IW and still get 3/3 in Intensity (though I might try to live without it and pickup ILotP and 2/3 IW).


So, R&T is just a PvP talent?

That highly depends on your priorities - if you don't need IW and iLotP it is an alternative to get R&T, it WILL increase cat damage and bear threat, just not by as much as other talents.

They will probably do that, because barkskin, with the recent changes to spellpushback, isn't as needed as it was before :>

Barkskin is still very useful to PvE resto. It can be cast in tree form and the 20% damage reduction is very nice if you know you'll be taking some damage soon.

sorry but you must be bad.

if you were not already using maul every time it is up you are bad. it does not need to be put into rotation, it is an on next hit effect. so pro druids have these 2 macros:

/cast swipe
/cast maul

/cast lacerate
/cast maul

spam those and mangle every CD for maximum threat. If you have good gear swipe is always better, even on one mob.


The talents as they are now are going to increase our already retardedly high threat by alot. I do a constant 1.9k TPS while raiding in sunwell gear. I just don't see how they are going to leave some of the stuff the way it is.

This is wrong. Maul can proc Omen of Clarity -- just tested it with multiple instances -- as if it were a white attack.

good good. makes sense since it is essentially a boosted / replaced white attack.

with regards to shield wall, recklessness etc. unless they tone down recklessness to just a few attacks id be a bit annoyed, but i can see barkskin being castable in forms with 25%+ damage reduction for 10 seconds on a minute reduction, maybe 2. might well be all we have if we're going to take a big slice of magic damage =(

beserk cooldown needs to come down too

Could you elaborate a bit? I find that I am incredibly useful in a progression group. If a trash pull goes bad, I can pick up a loose mob, add some healing to the tank, and with recent changes, provide a fair bit of control. To me, I'm there BECAUSE we're learning.

Granted, my guild isn't full-on into T6 yet, so if it works different there then I stand corrected, but from everything I've done thus far, I've been a great use to help learn stuff.

(on progression)

If you're sup-par dps, but you can pick up a loose mob on trash, you will be sat on bosses if they don't need you tanking.

If you're sub-par tanking AND dps, you won't have a slot in a progression guild.

Battle rez and innervate are bad reasons to justify a slot in a raid, because that is assuming you can take a less-powerful class and make up for a rogue/warlock/mage being dumb and a healer not being mana efficient.