Probably not an issue in 25 man raids, but in 10 man raids? I could see it happening.

I noticed in that post:
"Physical Vulnerability Debuff: Blood Frenzy, (2nd Talent Spec TBA)"

Could this 2nd talent spec be us?

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"Improved Faerie Fire: No longer benefits melee and ranged hit chance, only spell hit."

Another thought, with the removal of melee hit from Improved Faerie Fire, they could tack it on to Feral Faerie Fire instead. If they did that though, they'd need to figure out some way to make them stack. I would assume the armor debuff wouldn't stack, but the melee/spell hit would. Would probably be an implementational nightmare though .. like how would you calculate duration of the hit component vs the armor component, whether it shows up as 1 debuff or 2 on the UI etc.

Wait what?

I think you misunderstood me. I was just asking whether Shamans would be able to use WF in Ghost Wolf form in the expansion. If they could, they'd essentially have most of the perks of a cat druid (minus stealth).

I'll admit I know pretty much nothing about shamans, but them trying to dps in ghost wolf would be like a druid trying to dps in travel form...it just doesn't work. So why would WF matter?

And as to the warrior thing, all the fury warrior are online complaining that they won't get a raid spot because ferals can do all the same buffs but actually tank well. It's all about perspective :-)

Horn of Winter is most definitely the DK agi/str buff that blues have mentioned previously (there is no frost/winter adjectives related to ferals, and the horn in this case is like the musical instrument of a knight).

Not playing a Shaman in the expac, but currently you shift out the second you do something other than White attacks (similar to travel form, rather than cat form).

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What worries me is that even if we are the second class to get a 'Blood Frenzy', we'll still be competing with Warriors.
[e] I suppose it makes sense to Blizzard, as it's quite easy to expect either a Feral or a Warrior to be in the raid, be it from tanking or as a dps slot.

Travelform uses weapon damage as well - try switching to a regular weapon. You just don't notice it as feral weapons have +FAP which doesn't affect Travel form damage.

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Was thinking that it would actually make [more ?] sense if they added the 'Blood Frenzy' bit to Rogues. They've been whining about raid viability because of lack of raid buffs from their side, and this consolidation will likely hit them harder than anyone else as they (currently) scale better than anyone with so many buffs/debuffs. Can't wait for the Feral push so we finally have something of a solid ground with all these discussions.

And this is a problem because?
Druids have been doing this all TBC, and ferals arent exactly tearing up the arena world.

Movespeed was kind of the point. Whatever.

Druids also have to pay 600 mana.

It's only 13% as opposed to 35% mana cost for ferals. That's a pretty pronounced difference.

Anyways, just drop it.

Druids only have to shift to remove snares, what you are proposing would involve shifting every 2-5 seconds in and out of ghost wolf at a truely fucking insane rate of mana consumption. Go calculate how much mana you burn shifting to wolf after every SStrike/Shock if you have 5 seconds shocks and 10seconds SStrikes, then work out the total uptime on your wolf form (Hint. The answer is is 27seconds in every minute assuming you never drop a totem or cast any spell other than shock/WF and would involve 12 shifts or 1800 mana/minute even if it were not being changed, which it is). At 13% mana cost you would run OOM in a little under 30seconds (achieving a phenominal 13seconds of increase movement speed).

Now stop being retarded.

Windfury Weapon doesn't proc in Ghost Wolf form (Flurry + weapon enchants only) so any shaman trying to do this for a prolonged amount of time would be an idiot. As stated above, this is a pretty dumb thing to whine about and something you should have been able to figure out.

And a feral druid spamming cat form will be out of mana well before the shaman. You are completely missing the point with the ghost wolf comparison.

Going ghost wolf for a snare break only costs the enhancement shaman some mana, beyond that they don't pay anything else. Druids on the other hand pay a huge opportunity cost with losing all energy over 40 and pay more mana for it. It akin to ghost wolf putting a 3-4 second cooldown on all shocks and stormstrike. This is why furor needs to be upped to 100 energy and moved to the side since its nothing more than a PVP talent now.

EDIT: and a shaman trying to DPS in ghost wolf is an idiot, just like a druid trying to DPS in travel form. Neither one is applicable to the actual issue at had, which is ferals' massive opportunity cost and a subpar PVP talent.