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Old 08/08/09, 11:12 PM   #976
Carnacki
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Tauren Druid
 
Nagrand
I hate to ask the simple questions, but Treetard you were doing apples and apples tests right? Same buffs, no one else on the dummy, same dummy etc? And, how many times did you run the tests (in each spec)?

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Old 08/09/09, 12:49 PM   #977
Vinen
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Stormrage
What should Balance Druids be casting during Heroism currently?

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Old 08/09/09, 4:04 PM   #978
Kenshinji
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Bonechewer
EDIT:

Looks like I was wrong

Last edited by Kenshinji : 08/09/09 at 8:27 PM. Reason: Misinformation

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Old 08/09/09, 6:09 PM   #979
 Hamlet
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by Vinen View Post
What should Balance Druids be casting during Heroism currently?
Hmm, I haven't actually checked since 3.2. I think you'll wind up wanting to use a 3.1-style Lunar rotation (Wrath until Eclipse, then Starfire through Eclipse and ICD), but I should play with the sheet a bit.

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Old 08/09/09, 7:16 PM   #980
Tronn
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Eredar (EU)
Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
Hmm, I haven't actually checked since 3.2. I think you'll wind up wanting to use a 3.1-style Lunar rotation (Wrath until Eclipse, then Starfire through Eclipse and ICD), but I should play with the sheet a bit.
The problem is that SF will proc W when SF is on ICD. So during Heroism, you'll end up casting your usual rotation without DoTs.

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Old 08/09/09, 8:21 PM   #981
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Originally Posted by Tronn View Post
The problem is that SF will proc W when SF is on ICD. So during Heroism, you'll end up casting your usual rotation without DoTs.
Oh right, hmm. And looking at my current WC numbers, Eclipsed Wrath is slightly better DPS than uneclipsed Starfire, even with the heavy GCD clipping. However, in the case where you're in a Solar Eclipse with many seconds left on Bloodlust, it would be worth canceling Solar to be able to proc Lunar again.

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Old 08/10/09, 7:15 AM   #982
Talanik
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Tauren Druid
 
Zuluhed
Which is a better trinket combo?

[Grim Toll][Banner of Victory]

Or

[Mjolnir Runestone][Blood of the Old God]

I currently have all 4 trinkets, Ideally i'd like to use Banner and Mjolnirs, however that puts me way below hit cap. What it comes down to is whether the extra 200~ AP proc and static 102 crit vs static 84 ArP.

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Old 08/11/09, 1:28 AM   #983
Vinen
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Stormrage
Originally Posted by Talanik View Post
Which is a better trinket combo?

[Grim Toll][Banner of Victory]

Or

[Mjolnir Runestone][Blood of the Old God]

I currently have all 4 trinkets, Ideally i'd like to use Banner and Mjolnirs, however that puts me way below hit cap. What it comes down to is whether the extra 200~ AP proc and static 102 crit vs static 84 ArP.
Simple answer: Runestone/Blood. I'm hard pressed to think of a situation where GT/BoV is better.

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Old 08/11/09, 1:54 AM   #984
Talanik
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Zuluhed
Originally Posted by Vinen View Post
Simple answer: Runestone/Blood. I'm hard pressed to think of a situation where GT/BoV is better.
Well the thing is, with the static 84 ArP on the trinket, it would allow you to regem a good portion of your gems to agi, as you'd be at the soft cap much earlier.

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Old 08/11/09, 5:28 AM   #985
Dazkareith
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Hellscream (EU)
I have a question.
i am trying to regemming my gear whit epic gems but since they give a lot more stas i don´t know if i just keep add stam gems or i gem till i have a certain amount of stam (like 38k unbuffed) and then change to agility.

any help is wellcome

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Old 08/11/09, 11:03 AM   #986
Pantsoffancy
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Executus
This may or may not sound like a stupid question, but does Intensity(3/3) allow 50% of BASE mana regen, or 50% of ACTUAL mana regen to continue while casting?

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Old 08/11/09, 11:18 AM   #987
barrabus
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Silver Hand
It allows 50% of your "spirit-based" regen to continue (int now factors into the formula as well). Basically anything that doesn't come from MP5, which is always at 100% effect.

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Old 08/11/09, 6:16 PM   #988
Synthetic703
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Sisters of Elune
With the nourish glyph, does each application of LB add 6% or does a 1,2 or 3 stack all count as one healing effect?

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Old 08/12/09, 2:05 AM   #989
Talanik
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Zuluhed
Once you hit the 50% ArP soft cap (With using Grim Toll or Mjolnirs), what do you begin gemming for then? Do you keep going for ArP, or does Agi overtake ArP at that point?

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Old 08/12/09, 3:15 AM   #990
Labrynth
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Troll Druid
 
Frostmourne
Originally Posted by Talanik View Post
Once you hit the 50% ArP soft cap (With using Grim Toll or Mjolnirs), what do you begin gemming for then? Do you keep going for ArP, or does Agi overtake ArP at that point?
Back to Agi once you hit the softcap - extra ArP is just being wasted when the trinket procs otherwise.

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Old 08/12/09, 2:21 PM   #991
audiogiraffe
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Tauren Druid
 
Haomarush
Appreciate all the questions and comments from everyone so far! it has been sooooo helpful (for as many as i have read)

i'm what you would call a typical nooby, i was just wondering is the best boomkin profession combo Tailor/Enchant(orJC)?

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Old 08/13/09, 8:28 AM   #992
Tronn
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Eredar (EU)
Originally Posted by audiogiraffe View Post
i'm what you would call a typical nooby, i was just wondering is the best boomkin profession combo Tailor/Enchant(orJC)?
JC: 3x 39 SP instead of 23 SP => +48 SP
Alchemy: dunno [edit: 47 SP]
Enchanter: 2x23 SP => +46 SP
Blacksmitch: 2x23 SP => +46 SP
Leatherworker: +76 SP on bracers instead of +30 => +46 SP
Inscription: 70 SP instead of 24 on shoulders => +46 SP

Tailoring: Cloak - 295 SP for 15sek, guess 60sek ICD => 73.75 SP instead of 23 Haste
Skinner: +40 crit
Engineer: 24 crit on boots instead of 12 Crit/Hit *** 340 Haste on gloves for 12sek with 60sec CD (~ 68 haste) instead of 28 SP *** 27 SP instead of 23 Haste on cloak

I'd argue that JC and Tailoring or Engineering were the best professions, because you get +2 SP more than others with JC. Engineering has the profit of +12 Crit (and run faster for 5 seconds) instead of Hit and you can always change this to Icewalker if you need to. The glove enchant is really cool if you got a trinket proc and/or SF eclipse. 27 SP should be better than 23 Haste on the cloak as well.

Last edited by Tronn : 08/14/09 at 6:10 AM.

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Old 08/13/09, 5:53 PM   #993
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Alchemy is 47 spellpower (either from Flask of the North or Mixology at any given point in time).
Tailoring cloak enchant ICD is 45s, making it about 90 sp on average.
Engineering is weak--swapping 28 sp for 68 haste on gloves and 23 haste for 27 sp on cloak is a net gain of (45 haste - 1 sp). Slightly better if you try to time Hyperspeeds with Eclipses, but still won't beat out 46 sp.

If you're picking professions from scratch, choose:
1) Tailoring.
2) Your choice of Alchemy, Blacksmithing, Enchanting, Inscription, Jewelcrafting, or Leatherworking.

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Old 08/13/09, 7:10 PM   #994
Tronn
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Eredar (EU)
Ah, how true! But I'd argue that +24 crit on boots might be slightly better than Icewalker if you're hit capped, so you'd gain +12 crit as well. I'm not sure if the engineer's boot enchant can beat Tuskarr's run speed. But, as Arawethion says, Tailoring beats anything and I'd suggest you take Alchemy for the 2h duration of flasks. Saves a lot of money in the end ;-)

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Old 08/13/09, 8:19 PM   #995
Keeva
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Caelestrasz
Originally Posted by Synthetic703 View Post
With the nourish glyph, does each application of LB add 6% or does a 1,2 or 3 stack all count as one healing effect?
Lifebloom always counts as a single HoT, regardless of how many stacks you put up.

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Old 08/13/09, 10:25 PM   #996
kalbear
Bald Bull
 
Tauren Druid
 
Balnazzar
Tailoring cloak enchant ICD is 45s, making it about 90 sp on average.
Apparently the cloak enchant has been stealth-nerfed to give procs every 60 seconds.

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Old 08/14/09, 2:47 AM   #997
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by kalbear View Post
Apparently the cloak enchant has been stealth-nerfed to give procs every 60 seconds.
Confirmed this. Argh.

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Old 08/14/09, 5:17 AM   #998
hornedone 1
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Thrall
sf glyph bugged?

my sf glyph is bugged.a few minutes after log in it stops working.i spoke with another druid on my realm who said he had the same issue.does anyone have any information on this?

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Old 08/14/09, 2:21 PM   #999
hibbleton
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Tauren Druid
 
Mannoroth
Hi there,

I've saved up enough Emblems of Conquest to buy my T8.5 helm and BP. Right now, I have the two-piece T7 bonus from my helm and shoulders. Since I'll be replacing my T7.5 helm with a T8.5 helm, I was wondering if it would be worth it to downgrade from Leggings of the Snowy Bramble (H ToC) and grab Valorous Dreamwalker Trousers in order to keep the two-piece T7 bonus? I guess my question, in summary, is how much DPS will I gain from the two-piece T7 bonus? According to MaxDPS.com, I'm losing about 27 DPS from the move.

Hopefully that's clear enough. Thanks a lot!

PS: I should mention that I'm balance spec!

Last edited by hibbleton : 08/14/09 at 2:44 PM.

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Old 08/14/09, 3:05 PM   #1000
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by hibbleton View Post
Hi there,

I've saved up enough Emblems of Conquest to buy my T8.5 helm and BP. Right now, I have the two-piece T7 bonus from my helm and shoulders. Since I'll be replacing my T7.5 helm with a T8.5 helm, I was wondering if it would be worth it to downgrade from Leggings of the Snowy Bramble (H ToC) and grab Valorous Dreamwalker Trousers in order to keep the two-piece T7 bonus? I guess my question, in summary, is how much DPS will I gain from the two-piece T7 bonus? According to MaxDPS.com, I'm losing about 27 DPS from the move.

Hopefully that's clear enough. Thanks a lot!

PS: I should mention that I'm balance spec!
Check the spreadsheet here for 2T7 value:
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t59457-m...updated_3_2_a/

Expect it to be worth on the order of 50 DPS.

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