Hello all,

With Dual Specs coming out recently, I'm having my healer alt take a Moonkin spec. I want the spec to be raid viable, since we don't consistently have a Moonkin in our raid make-up, but I also want some fun things for soloing such as Typhoon.

My question is this: Why do the vast majority of the recommended Moonkin specs I've found online all include Balance of Power for an extra 4% hit?

I understand that it is vital to be hit-capped for raiding, but since the "reduced chance to be hit by spells" component of that talent seems mediocre for PvE, why not simply gear/gem for that 4% hit and shove those extra points off into some other talent? Personally I'd like to take Gale Winds for those 2 points. I know there isn't that much AoE required for Ulduar, but I'm still going to be running Naxx some, AoE is fun for WG and BGs, and when I solo I like to round up baddies and use it. All in all this makes sense to me, but I want to be sure I'm not missing something

The only thing I can think of is that someone has done the math on the stats themselves and come up with a significant dps gap when you have to get that hit from somewhere else. For instance, if you gem/gear for that extra 4% hit you're losing that many stat points that could have been going to spellpower/haste/crit instead, and therefore you're losing some dps (especially if you put those 2 points in Gale Winds and then you aren't using your AoE in any given fight). But how significant is this loss? I don't want to completely gimp myself, but if it's fairly minor (like the Improved Moonfire talent that apparently doesn't do much for dps), then I'd rather take the talent I consider fun.

Here is a link to the spec I am debating now. The question is whether or not to leave those 2 points in Gale Winds or put them in Balance of Power, though I'm open to other suggestions as well if something is obviously off.

Balance Spec via MMO Champion

I hope I've been clear. I know I rambled some but I've given it a decent amount of thought and sort of wanted to get it all out there.

Thanks,
CT

To replace those two talent points with gear, you need to add 104 or 105 hit rating.

Get rid of two points in IIS and you only need to replace 2% crit, just 92 CR (and only that much if you have 100% uptime on IIS, and never use Starfall, Hurricane or Typhoon).

Get rid of two points in CF and and you only need to replace perhaps 2.6% haste (it is more than 2% because CF is a multiplier) or roughly 85 HR.

To the extent that Hit, Crit, and Haste rating are all equally as "common" on gear, 2% hit is worth more than 1% crit or 1% haste.

Of course hit has a hard cap, and the other stats don't. If your gear makes it tough to get below the hit cap, dropping BoP will make more sense.

Thanks you two!

One thing to keep in mind is that I am not going to have all that many gear options. Since this is not only my alt, but a secondary spec as well, my gear consists mostly of Heroic gear and PvP gear. I do have one or two raid pieces, but I can't count on upgrades via raids. It's fairly easy to get the hit from just grabbing 2-3 pieces of hit PvP gear from Wintergrasp and then putting in my resto pieces for the others (not ideal, but some of my ilvl 213 Resto gear beats out the ilvl 167 blue gear that is itemized for Moonkin).

I'll probably give the spec I linked a try from what I've read here, but I do see what you are saying Erdluf about 1 point of hit taking up the same amount of space on gear as 1 point of crit, etc. It's an interesting take on it, and something I hadn't thought of. Thanks.

As a balance druid I have a really hard time wrapping my head around creating ideal item sets with how hit is valued.

When I see lists that say Dying Curse is #1 Trinket if you can utilize the hit on it, I wonder if that means if I am in a vacuum where my current gear has only one trinket equipped and I am exactly 71 points short of hit cap Dying Curse is ideal or if in any given situation I should move gear/gems around in order to accommodate fitting Dying Curse in because it is the best use of a trinket slot available.

The valuation of hit rating also baffles me when considering something like moving from ilvl213 hit pants -> 226 haste pants. Is it worthwhile to re-gem some 19 spellpower gems into 16 hit rating gems to fit these pants into my gear or should I stick with the ilvl213 pants.

Furthermore when I see things like SimulationCraft's t7.5 BiS valuation of Hit Rating as 2.46, Haste Rating as 1.06 and Spellpower 1.48 does this mean that I should be aiming to have all of my gem slots providing hit rating and have gear that accommodates that to not go over cap or do I want to aim to have gear that has the hit rating for cap and gem for spellpower?

I've looked around a little but haven't been able to find any blog post or article like that that explains the relationship between hit rating and me.

Edit: I had this sorta explained to me. What I heard was that you want to aim for maximum total stat weighting points in a set of gear rather than an individual slot and it doesn't matter whether you gem for hit or get it on gear not (unless it negatively impacts socket bonus/meta) so long as at the end of the day you're still at cap.

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