Druid: Simple Questions/Simple Answers - Page 51

Jone · 06/02/09, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by Stirius

I have two quick questions regarding Growl as I'm a bit unsure with the tooltip:
1. Does hitting growl on a mob that is already attacking me force it to attack me for three seconds? (I think not, from reading the tooltip)

Actually, even if the mob is currently attacking you, growl applies a 3 second debuff that forces it to attack you unless canceled by a newer taunt. So, for example, if you taunt a second before a Throw on Thaddius's adds, the mob is forced to follow you for 2 more seconds even after its aggro table is altered by the throw effect.

galuris · 06/02/09, 6:47 PM

Hello, i was wondering at what point armor pen rating passes agility.

Cicatriz · 06/02/09, 9:48 PM

Hi, sorry to interject here but I have a quick question about Restoration gear. Been trying to get a druid of ours to do 10 man Ulduar for some hard modes for awhile but he never wants to come because he says that because he has all BiS gear from Naxx/Sarth/Maly, that there are NO avaible upgrades for him in 10 man, only in 25 man.

Is that true? Were the 10 Man items not itemized well enough to be on par or better than any ilvl 213 gear, perhaps even ilvl226?

Ja7us · 06/02/09, 9:54 PM

No, that is wholly ridiculous, particularly if you're going to be doing hardmodes. He may be trying to say that none of his BiS items are in Ulduar-10 (though I doubt it, some of the hard mode-10 loot is pretty amazing), but that's a bizarre outlook. Upgrades are upgrades, and Ulduar-10 has plenty.

isLuForever · 06/02/09, 10:44 PM

I was trying to find some information on TPS for various classes, in an effort to help plan ahead my gear choices, but I can't seem to find much (the Search function doesn't return anything but pre-WOTLK information, and not quite what I'm looking for)

I'm pretty much wondering how much TPS I can expect to see DPS doing in Ulduar 10/25. I've seen people mention 10k+ TPS from DPS, but the highest I've ever seen in my Ulduar 10 runs is about 4k TPS from a Kitty Druid doing about 5.5k DPS.

zoidfarb · 06/03/09, 12:23 AM

Are balance druids gemming blue slots with spell power/stam because of hard modes? I've been gemming spell power/spirit and I'm wondering if I should switch. My guild hasn't been doing that many hard modes, our latest was getting the rare Hodir cache in 10 man.

Orlok3105 · 06/03/09, 2:40 AM

Just keep using SP/Spirit gems. Switching to SP/Stamina is a half-measure, you won't get much stamina from it and it won't save you in heavy raid damage situation.

nightcrowler · 06/03/09, 4:26 AM

@IsLUForever

I usually push about 5k TPS (I'm doing 7k dps on average) inside Ulduar, actually the only class with wich I don't have threat problem are Feral Tank. (I'm feral dps and I'm the highest threat usually second after the tank and surfing aggro at 100% tank threat, I've a macro to ask for salvation).

Esari · 06/03/09, 5:47 AM

Did the arp cap arrive already or is it coming in some future patch?

a civilian · 06/03/09, 6:15 AM

It is already in place.

Monedula · 06/03/09, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by a civilian

It is already in place.

Tried searching for it on the forums, but since "arp" is only 3 letters I can not look for it. So I am asking the question here. A redirect so somewhere where it is explained/written would be nice.

The question is: Counting on all raidbuffs (FF, Sunder armor, etc) how much armor penetration (and for druids how much rating) would be the max without having a wasted stat/gem?

Getting to that cap (if at all attainable) would make a trinket like grim toll useless? (not counting the hit)

Phoa · 06/03/09, 12:55 PM

FeralbyNight (Cat & Bear simulation tool)

Cal makes reference to ArP being at 85% passively. I would say this would be better then Grim Toll or a Runestone proc simply because it is constant. Even if you hit the 100% with a proc based on 40-50% passive ArP, that is only 20% uptime if that.

The problem is the 1050 ArP needed is not really attainable in current gear, the highest I got Rawr to go was about 912 and that was with smithing and JC. I'm not good enough at math to tell you whether 85% would be the point when it passive ArP outweighs Grim Toll or if it would be lower (higher?).

a civilian · 06/03/09, 2:46 PM

100% armor penetration is the cap - that's 1231.6 armor penetration rating. FF and sunder armor are irrelevant as they are applied separately.

With Mjolnir Runestone, there is a soft cap at 566 armor penetration rating beyond which additional armor penetration is wasted during the trinket proc; for Grim Toll, the soft cap is 619 rating. Optimal gearing in tier 8 is to soft cap armor penetration with Mjolnir Runestone and then just stack agility.

Edit: sources are
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t29453-c...evel_80_a/p19/ for armor penetration mechanics (the original post isn't updated, you have to look at some of the later discussion) and
FeralbyNight (Cat & Bear simulation tool) for optimal feral gearing.

Jesta · 06/03/09, 9:18 PM

I have read everything there is to read here about balance druids. But I can still only push about 4.8k dps in a raid.

So, I need to know if I'm doing something wrong, or if its simply a lack of gear. (my gear does need some work, but its better then it could have been pre-uld and I'm not putting up very good #'s for even pre-uld.)

So with out further adieu I made a small sample clip of my raiding rotation on a target dummy. If anyone is felling very generous can you please watch it and let me know if i am doing things correctly.

YouTube - rotation

I'm logged in, so my armory should be in my profile. I would just post it, but i hear thats against the rules. (I read stickies!)

Thank you in advance

Cicatriz · 06/03/09, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ja7us

No, that is wholly ridiculous, particularly if you're going to be doing hardmodes. He may be trying to say that none of his BiS items are in Ulduar-10 (though I doubt it, some of the hard mode-10 loot is pretty amazing), but that's a bizarre outlook. Upgrades are upgrades, and Ulduar-10 has plenty.

He said because he itemizes for Spellpower/Regen/Crit, because he likes tossing rejuv's and not nourishing as much, so he says the 10 man gear isn't an upgrade for the way he itemizes because he'll be trading his crit for haste, or his spellpower for spirit, and things like that so because the way he itemizes his druid, there are no upgrades.

I should have mentioned that in the first post but I didn't know til I asked him about it when I told him what you replied with and this is what he said, is that true or is he still just not wanting to do 10 mans with us ._.