kalbear

The optimum?

That's a really odd question. If you're trying to maximize threat, hit is as good as expertise, and both are best compared to any other stat. Same with damage. But what's optimal? I'd argue that as long as you're putting out enough threat for a fight, survivability is optimal. The corollary is that once a fight is easy and you don't need a ton of survivability threat is optimal.

Each 1% of hit does the same thing to your threat and damage. There's no sweet spot where more hit stops increasing your damage by a certain amount. If your average TPS is 5000 with expertise/hit capping, your TPS will drop by basically 1% for every loss of hit. It's very linear and predictable. There's no real special rotations that you need to worry about.

 

Kalitse

Thanks.

At this point my survivability is no longer an issue for the content I'm doing. So I'm trying to maximize my DPS to speed up fights.

I figure a nice balance might be 5% hit, 10% expertise. I'll try it out. Any other suggestions or comments in case I'm missing something would be appreciated.

 

foxglove

There's no reason to "balance" hit and expertise or to set yourself "magic number" goals between 0% and the respective caps. It's not the right question to ask. Get to the level of survivability you need (you say you have), then stack as much hit and expertise as you can get if you want to buff your threat and bear DPS. Any % is fine; 2% is better than 1%; 3% is better than 2% by the same degree.

Unless you are having issues with taunts missing at inconvenient times (and I'd hope you glyph for Growl when tanking), expertise is "better" than hit, because it provides the bonus of fewer parry-hastened boss attacks (in addition to more of your attacks landing).

 

halmmar

Expertise doesn't help keeping up FFF. That said, the difference is minor and expertise is a lot easier to get right now.

 

sarf

I was under the impression that all single-target solely taunting abilities (Growl, Taunt, Dark Command and possibly the new Paladin single-target-taunt) was using the spell hit chance (and some say the spell hit rating conversion). In that case you will still need a bit of hit rating to eliminate Growl resists (even with the Glyph).

Be like a child - greedy, self-centered and immune from prosecution.

 

taleden

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• Cluey

This is going back just over a month but I couldn't find many comments on this trinket.
For those druids with [Fury of the Five Flights] I was wondering if Faerie Fire refreshes the buff duration?
If it doesn't in cat does it in bear?

From what I have read and how I understood things that is what I thought too Sarf but I don't recall having many resists at all which makes me question if this is the case still, it will be slow and boring to test though and while it would be nice to know I don't think it is going to change the outcome of gear choices for tanking anyway.
I don't have the Growl glyph and can only recall one taunt resist recently, my current setup only has 159 hit rating.

For general hit comments for tanking there isn't some magic number, run with what you are comfortable with.
For heroics and trash I generally drop some tanking stats for hit and expertise to make threat generation more consistent, it depends on the DPS guys you play with though. The DPS I play with always seem impatient so I gear to keep them alive on trash and it makes the runs faster, keeping me alive hasn't been a problem and until it is I will do the same thing.

 

Husyor

So from what I hear, shifting twilight opal is out now. Ive been using guardians in red slots, but in tbc I used shifting. Which do you guys think is better? They both give avoidance and threat. Does shifting give more avoidance and guardian's give more threat?

 

gobbles

Patch 2.3.0 - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

I seem to recall that prior to that patch taunt worked off + spell hit but was changed to +hit (melee hit at the time) as it was a bit of a wierd mechanic.

Whether or not taunts are resisted often come down to the boss involved. Al'ar back in TK used to be a nightmare for resisted taunts if you wernt close to the hit cap.

I'm pretty sure tables of boss values for these things exist, though i havn't got time to go look for them right now.

Some bosses had the ability to resist taunts almost completly removed - ie Brutallus in SWP.

I personally have seen resists on the four horseman fight. At the time i did not have the growl glyph.

 

matrixsage

Does genesis affect Bleeds?

from this item [Extract of Necromantic Power] it seems that it would proc off bleeds based on the comments on wowhead where rogues warriors and other druids claims that it does proc.

Genesis also has a really similar description of Genesis - Spell - World of Warcraft

So does it mean it would, and does it even affect enough to matter?

 

Monedula

Did not test it myself, but all signs point to "No".
Thought of it myself why there was no feral with that talent. Wowhead comments state that a GM said it does not affect the feral dots. Never seen it on any feral spec and I think that if it would work this would be common knowledge by now.

Tooltips are not always right. They are often adjusted in patches (patchnotes state those) to correctly say what the ability exactly does. Often it is bugged and it does not do what it should do (even though the tooltip says so).

Genesis should probably have it's tooltip adjusted to include "by spells". The trinket should if it indeed works for melee be changed from "your spells" to "your abilities"

 

kittykitty3864

I've been using BadKitty. Avail. from Curse: BadKitty - Addons - Curse

 

Bartlett

Is Protector of the Pact a decent talent to take over Feral Aggression for cat DPS? I've been having trouble fitting FB into my DPS cycles so if PotP is pretty close in overall DPS I'll use that instead. Also helps with tanking when called upon, which is handy.

 

Calen

This was tested (not by me) in the Druid Changes - patch 3.08 thread, and it only applies to AP in bear form.

 

Bartlett

Annoying. Well I hope that's not working as intending.

 

Blazefire

Unless I've missed it, I don't believe they've yet implementing this gem cut ingame.

 

Shmanel

Has there been any word that it is supposed to work in cat? I dont ever remember hearing anything, so Id assume its just a talent thats weirdly worded. Should say:

While in Bear or Dire Bear form, increases your AP by 6% and decreases damage by 12%.

 

Kiore

There is some information out there that the missing cuts are appearing. I have seen first hand the [Etched Monarch Topaz] recipe and there have been reports of Purified and other "missing" recipes dropping as world blues. I wouldn't be surprised to find Sovereign and Shifting appearing either.

 

Nathariel

Sovereign pattern is definitely available as a BoE world drop.

 

Taudark

It is working as intended. If not it would say something like: Increases your attack power by 6%. Also reduces the damage you take by 12% while in Bear or Dire Bear Form.

You shouldn't really be able to misunderstand the wording in that talent.

 

Rany

I recommend using BadKitty as well. It has really helped my raid dps rotation. Small, simple and easy to understand.

 

Solux

Having seen the blue announcement today they are still working on another tanking stat for druids, I'm interested to hear what people would like to see and why.

I can't see any rationale for us getting block, so the only other options are to get us to stack Strength, which isn't on our gear as much as it could be for some beneficial effect or AP for the same thing. Agility we already stack like mad. I'd hate to get to the point of stacking Int or something ridiculous to leave us at the point we used to be with set gear being horrible for most everyday use.

Parry would be the most welcome addition, of course, although it makes it difficult to itemise, since Rogues only have a limited use for it. Blizzard have said before though they don't want to give us Parry, for a number of reasons.

There's also defence, If we are allowed additional miss chance from defence, it would reduce our high damage taken from spells, which are effectively only mitigated by Protector of the Pack and Predatory Instincts for a higher level of damage than any of the other tanks on Caster bosses. Yes, we have the HP pool to soak that, but being able to stack for some reduction of that could bring us up to parity without making us brutally overpowered. Given Night Elves already have an effective 2% lead on Tauren in this, it appears at least reasonable differences in miss chance are not too worrisome to sacrifice. Also, since we could only stack defence in current itemisation from taking trinkets, rings, necks and cloaks, it limits the advanatage we can get out of it, while still opening up new choices or giving us full benefit from choices we have already made. Of course this means we still take spiky damage, but Parry would have the same effect and would only mitigate physical damage which we're already good at.

Problems may occur with Night Elf bears being too hard to hit in PvP leading to cries of Nerfbat, but I would expect PvPers to be using Resilience instead of stacking defense anyway.

 

blackhand0114

I think they'll use a stat that is already on our gear. So really AP/crit/expertise will somehow give us more mitigation in some sort of conversion seems the most logical/least gear changing. I think adding stats that we already don't worry about seems more trouble some. People will end up QQing about having to stack a stat they did not have to before which will put us right back to where we are now.

 

Tchao

Hi all,

After having played a shaman during TBC, I stopped WoW and created a brand new drood, specialized for tanking, for WOTLK. So, I have few questions for you, experts :
- do I need to have 400 in my staff comp in order to maximize my hit in bear form (if I use a staff of course) ?
- I've read that the cap for expertise is 6,5% for level 83 bosses. The tooltip over expertise in my armory link says that I have 7% right now. I guess it's for level 80 mob. Am I right ? So should I still aim for expertise ?
- Should I use 8 dodge / 12 stam gems instead of the 7 agi / 11 stam I currently have ?

Thanks in advance for your answers and please forgive my poor english as it's not my native language.

 

wuffles

-no
-6.5% expertise is enough to remove dodges, and is listed as the 'cap' for expertise if you're attacking from behind, which you won't be doing while tanking. The tooltip in the character window gives % only for even-level mobs. Expertise is a good stat; it provides threat and a small amount of mitigation against parry-haste on bosses for which that applies, but there is no set value you must reach.
-consult Rawr for your gemming and gearing needs.

Lastly, this is not really the place for such elementary questions - especially ones that could be answered via a search. If you have other (more informed) questions, try the "Simple Questions/Simple Answers" stickied thread at the top of the forum if you absolutely cannot find the answer by searching (you probably can).