Actually, no. ArPen affects white damage, mangle and shred (and ferocious bite), which together account for roughly 50% of our damage. Haste affects only white damage, which accounts for roughly 25% of our damage. Haste also increases the frequency of Omen procs, but if those are shreds (which they should) they also benefit from the ArPen.

I think the part about "all melee" indicates that other melee classes are deriving more benefit from ArPen, while still finding haste largely useless. This will be the case with any class that gets a lot of their damage from specials which deal armor-mitigated damage.

I like that option, but somehow I have my doubts they'd be really inclined to implement different mechanics for Rogues/Druids (energy) and Warriors/Death Knights ("rage") or Hunters/Paladins/Shamans (mana).

I can see it work not unlike the replenish option though and it would help sustain mana-users through longer fights.

I just thought of a bit of a no-brainer.
Assuming you have a few macros you use regularly when tanking and only when tanking, put

/cancelaura Heroism

somewhere in it, should make you less likely to parry-haste-gib yourself. I highly doubt this is something smarter people than I haven't thought of already, so why isn't it more widely known or is it just not a very big deal at all?

I don't consider canceling Heroism / Bloodlust to have that large of an impact on parry haste, plus the extra agro from the additional attacks doesn't hurt.

In 40 seconds you get 16 normal attacks and 26 global cooldowns.
Bloodlust / Heroism over 40 seconds changes this to 22 normal attacks and 26 global cooldowns.

Basically, you get in 6 more Mauls.

I have a few macro questions here:

Is it possible to make the following macro:
If I press it without modifier, it casts Mangle - Bear with !Maul. If i press it with modifier, it only casts Mangle - Bear.
This would be nice for pulling.

Also I have troble with the following macro:

/cast Lifeblood
/use 13
/use 14
/cancelaura Enrage
/cast Survival Instincts
/cast Barkskin
/cast Frenzied Regeneration
/use Fel Healthstone

ect...

I want to use it as an emergency button, but It stops at Barkskin and won`t cast FR because of the GCD. When spamming the button, an error appear with "Spell not ready" (probably because of Barkskin). Is there a way to skip spells which are on CD?

And now I have the following:

#showtooltip Mangle - Cat
/cast [stealth] Pounce; Mangle - Cat
/startattack

How can I change this that it will only startattack if you aren`t in stealth. Because in this way the autoattack will break my stealth.

I JUST hit 80 on an alt that I never played at 70 and feel refreshed tanking instead of DPSing all of time as a mage. I've been talking to my guild's top Feral Tank about what to expect but planning on Pre-Naxx gear has kindof consumed me right now.

1) This has probably been answered before but I just want a clarification about the armor changes in 3.0.8. Am I correct that The armor Multiplier DOES NOT work with Rings, Trinkets and Weapons? But it does work with any other gear including cloaks? I've been using RAWR 2.1.4 to see what I should be aiming at and I really don't know what my Armor is going to be come patch.

2) The other problem I'm having and it sounds like its a general Feral thing, but what is the best way to tank multiple mobs? Is it just Swipe and maul and if need be Berserk+mangle?

Have you tried /stopmacro [stealth] after the /cast line?

1) The armor multiplier from dire bear form, survival of the fittest and thick hide does not work with any armor on rings, trinkets, necks or weapons. It also does not work on any bonus armor on cloaks and leather gear, but does work on the base armor of cloaks and leather gear. Rawr has a bug in it currently with respect to cloaks so that it does not calculate the base armor of the cloak correctly, but other than that it should be correct.

2) Swipe + Maul is the standard one; the hardest part is positioning and dealing with caster mobs. Typically with a caster group I either try and LoS it (this is difficult in LK as there are simply not that many places to LoS mobs) or feral charge/swipe. Try alternating around the mobs so that each one gets a maul or two. Make sure to have glyph of maul as well. Berserk/mangle suffers from basically being an improved maul; if there are three targets, great, but if not you'll start losing threat compared to simply swiping. You can use a hurricane pull to pull the mobs, but the threat isn't all that significant; use it when you cannot get close to the mobs quickly and will be taking a few hits that the healers must heal.

I haven't seen any discussion so far concerning [Idol of Worship] when compared with
[Idol of the Ravenous Beast] .

Does anyone have any data comparing the raw dps value of each idol?

Is there certain situations in which one should be used over the other?

Idol of Worship is worth 105*1.3*1.1 damage every 3 seconds, or a 50 DPS increase. Idol of th Ravenous beast is worth 203*1.3*1.2*1.1 = 348 bonus damage per shred. Bosses have 13083 armor, which is reduced to 7883 after sunder + Fearie Fire, which is around 40% damage reduction.

Assuming a crit rate of 40% (which is very easy to attain with starting gear, and for most people here it's probably closer if not over to 50%) we still end up with an average of 321 bonus damage per shred, meaning you need to shred every 6.5 seconds or more to make Idol of the Ravenous Beast better then Idol of Worship. On top of that it scales with both Armor Penetration and Crit, and Idol of Worship doesn't scale with anything, so the better your gear gets the bigger the gap will be between Ravenous Beast and Worship.

I should probably be in cat form more often, you're right. Redoing the math with 2 second per rip tick instead of 3 shows that you need 100% crit and more then 15% Armor penetration for Ravenous Beast to beat Worship, which is probably never. It still scales better then Worship, but doesnt overtake it until you reach impossible gear levels.