Feral questions? - Page 8

darkeminence · 11/24/08, 5:39 PM

Yeah, but like i said my staff skill isn't leveled. I currently have 47.88% crit in cat, but yesterday i had agi gem and enchant on my gloves, and boots with similar agi and ~30 crit rating, so i was sitting at around 48.9% crit with motw if i remember correctly.

Shrea · 11/24/08, 6:46 PM

Just a little curious and I dont know if this should go in this thread. If it doesnt I apologize. But Ive been looking through the gear that I have, verus the gear that I can get out of heriocs. Im trying to find some upgrades dps wise, as my guild ventures in Naxx 25 man. I was hoping someone could take alook at my armory and tell me if they've found something out of a certain herioc instance that may be better then what Ive got. I use Rawr regularly, but I just havent found anything in any heriocs thats better then what I have on. So here is my armory:

The World of Warcraft Armory

(PS some of my items are not enchanted yet as I am still working on rep with Ebon Blade and Sons of Hadir, but I do know where to get all the enchants)

All advice is welcome.

Baggles · 11/24/08, 7:42 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos

Back in the old WotLK Feral Thread there was a discussion about a Tank spec, that could do good damage with Mangle spam. I could never find the talents used for it. Does somebody have a specc for this Tank/Mangle Spam DPS?

Edit: Is there someone who could create the Feral Megathread replacement in the Theorycraft Think Tank? This would be the most obvious replacement for the Megathread starting post.

Theorycrafting Think Tank

This is the build that I use. In fact, I just made a whole post defending/explaining it in the Tanking talent build thread.

Celeras · 11/25/08, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Mithuata

Better than [Idol of the Ravenous Beast]? (I think both Toskk and Rawr are coming up with the shred damage being better than the rip damage at high end gear levels)

No, not better then Ravenous beast if you're shredding. The guy who said Terror was better uses a Mangle spam rotation, so RB would be useless for him.

His rotation however is inferior to a shred rotation, so RB is what you're going to want to be using.

Militis · 11/25/08, 8:48 AM

I'm hoping that some of you might be able to answer some questions that I have as I'm still trying to wrap my head around how to use certain stats. I see Haste and Armor Pen. all over the place now, from my experience in BC these stats were never all that great for feral. Has this changed with the change to OoC and the addition of Savage Roar?

Also before I started leveling I was sitting at around I think 44% crit unbuffed and hit capped. I do know that the Agi -> Crit ratio has been nerfed so getting crit is going to be harder, but how much crit percent should we be aiming for now? And how important is it to reach the Hit/Expertise cap from a DPS stand point?

I apologize if this has been already been answered somewhere else, there's just so much information around here it is hard to sift through and I didn't find exactly what I was looking for anywhere just yet.

foxglove · 11/25/08, 10:45 AM

1. Has anyone heard anything about 4pT6 getting nerfed? It really seems like it should be... The % scaling on Rip damage is essentially a scaling amount of AP in a full Rip-uptime cycle. Toskk's still shows 4pT6 configurations to be crazy-good, but it's difficult to compare wholly different gear setups there, and Rawr doesn't list or include the bonus that I can see. (This could just be my user error; using Rawr on OSX is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks and a sheet of paper.)

If anyone has already worked out how long it will be before 4pT6 should be replaced and which four pieces are best upgraded with BoE/5/10 man gear until then, I'd love to see your conclusions.

Edit: It appears that the Optimizer in Rawr must be taking the 4pT6 set bonuses into account, because it does end up equipping 4 pieces of T6 even when I make full HT7 or even VT7 available.

2. How do folks feel about the 2pT7 set bonus for DPS? It's clearly good, but I am loathe to divorce my Rip and Mangle timers again. The nice thing about the Rip and Mangle glyphs is that you can usually count on mangling right when Rip expires, without worrying about watching your energy, just as in the powershifting days of BC.

Spherus · 11/25/08, 10:53 AM

Has anyone else noticed the occurrence of rare, random crits from certain abilities? I'm not talking about the Afterburn-related crits; tanking Malygos last night I was noticing at least twice over a few attempts the arcane explosion type effect following breaths was critting. Obviously not a huge concern as that is one of the least significant sources of damage in tanking but it seems odd that it would be able to crit in the first place.

I wonder if that's an artifact of his breath being coded as Frost and I believe the followup explosion is Arcane. Also, when they removed the ~1% barrier on hit, did they also remove the fractional chance to be crit even while crit-immune? I haven't noticed this behavior elsewhere specifically, but it's definitely disconcerting to see crit the sticky pop up on my incoming side of MSBT.

Beace · 11/25/08, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by foxglove

1. Has anyone heard anything about 4pT6 getting nerfed? It really seems like it should be... The % scaling on Rip damage is essentially a scaling amount of AP in a full Rip-uptime cycle. Toskk's still shows 4pT6 configurations to be crazy-good, but it's difficult to compare wholly different gear setups there, and Rawr doesn't list or include the bonus that I can see. (This could just be my user error; using Rawr on OSX is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks and a sheet of paper.)

Playing around with Rawr, I've found that using 4xT6 is basically your best option until you can replace those pieces with best-in-slot gear. The scaling of rip and feroscious bite is just crazy.

This is with a mangle-spam build though, which also gets a big boost from 2xT6. Might be different for the people using shred.

Artemas · 11/25/08, 2:46 PM

As far as Haste Rating goes, how do bear benefit from it in terms of TPS? I understand that our GCD does not get reduced, so does haste increase our TPS by faster auto-attack/maul?

Pzychotix · 11/25/08, 2:52 PM

Originally Posted by Spherus

Has anyone else noticed the occurrence of rare, random crits from certain abilities? I'm not talking about the Afterburn-related crits; tanking Malygos last night I was noticing at least twice over a few attempts the arcane explosion type effect following breaths was critting. Obviously not a huge concern as that is one of the least significant sources of damage in tanking but it seems odd that it would be able to crit in the first place.

I wonder if that's an artifact of his breath being coded as Frost and I believe the followup explosion is Arcane. Also, when they removed the ~1% barrier on hit, did they also remove the fractional chance to be crit even while crit-immune? I haven't noticed this behavior elsewhere specifically, but it's definitely disconcerting to see crit the sticky pop up on my incoming side of MSBT.

Are you sure Malygos isn't getting touched by power sparks?

Originally Posted by Artemas

As far as Haste Rating goes, how do bear benefit from it in terms of TPS? I understand that our GCD gets reduced, so does haste increase our TPS by faster auto-attack/maul?

GCDs do NOT get reduced in bear/cat form. However, you will get faster autoattacks/mauls, which increases your TPS.

Geshtar · 11/25/08, 3:00 PM

Does anyone know if the idol of worship's effect is applied when the rip is applied, or is applied when the damage ticks? If it is applied when the rip is applied, does anyone have a good macro for swapping it on, then ripping, then going back to ravenous beast? I made up a simple one, but I couldn't get the GCD timing correct.

Militis · 11/25/08, 4:35 PM

In my experience it hasn't been worth the waste of a GCD to do something like idol swapping as feral.

Spherus · 11/25/08, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by Pzychotix

Are you sure Malygos isn't getting touched by power sparks?

Based on the spell (Power Spark - Spell - World of Warcraft) he should still be unable to crit. I'm not talking about the surge of damage when he is power sparked - he hits harder, breathes harder and the arcane blasts hit harder, but with regards to crit immunity nothing changes.

Next time we run him I'll log it and post the results - it's not a super-common occurrence and like I said not an issue, but it's discomforting to be crit in bear without a buff/debuff interaction when we are supposedly immune via talents.

Pzychotix · 11/25/08, 6:55 PM

Originally Posted by Spherus

Based on the spell (Power Spark - Spell - World of Warcraft) he should still be unable to crit. I'm not talking about the surge of damage when he is power sparked - he hits harder, breathes harder and the arcane blasts hit harder, but with regards to crit immunity nothing changes.

Next time we run him I'll log it and post the results - it's not a super-common occurrence and like I said not an issue, but it's discomforting to be crit in bear without a buff/debuff interaction when we are supposedly immune via talents.

Huh. I've never heard of ANY non-physical skill critting. AFAIK, mobs shouldn't be able to crit with spells at all. Parses of this would most definitely be nice.

Geshtar · 11/25/08, 6:59 PM

Originally Posted by Militis

In my experience it hasn't been worth the waste of a GCD to do something like idol swapping as feral.

Druid GCDs are only precious when berzerk is up. There is plenty of time where you can waste a GCD and not lose any dps at all, so it is worth it to swap if its possible.