Rawr.Moonkin should be able to tell you whether it's better to switch for forcing a proc or switch when a proc occurs. It appears to be highly situational as to which is better, so I would probably just do whichever you feel most comfortable with. Either way, it is a DPS increase to make use of the proc, it's just for that last ~1% increase that you need to figure out when it's better to force a Starfire proc and when it's better to just let the Wrath proc occur. As for activation time, quick napkin math shows that in theory, the procs should take exactly the same amount of time to activate.

The point in frenzy was a random spare point - I was contemplating putting it in Frenzy but have decided that it isn't worth it with just one point, as it's much too random. My final spec is this, which swaps the points I previously had in CF into IIS. The reasoning is such that although haste increases DPS, it also increases mana per second spent, while crit increases DPS and provides bonus mana back through moonkin form. The spec maximises crit (IFF/IIS) while still keeping a reasonable amount of regen. The single point in CF could go into Frenzy, Moonglow or Dreamstate, but I've put it in CF for a more static bonus to damage, rather than mana efficiency.

For those fights with pushback, Natures Focus is too much of a damage increase to skip in my opinion - Frenzy just isn't reliable enough even with a 15% proc chance to provide pushback resistance enough of the time, and Master Shapeshifter is effectively 5 points as I don't see NS being of much use, if any, while raiding.

I also go with Lord Beef's points on Typhoon/Starfall - on those fights where you can use them due to movement and not have mana issues, they're major DPS increases. Skipping Gale Winds aswell just isn't an option in my opinion.

I'm using Starfire primary, Wrath secondary (i.e. starfire most of the time, wrath to proc eclipse) rotation, mostly due to mana issues on longer fights making it better to gain the extra crit on starfire, and provide less use of Wrath overall. On high pushback fights, I'm going to experiment using the same rotation, but with starfire only during Eclipse, being able to use Barkskin every other eclipse. Between Natures Focus and Conc aura, there's no pushback on Wrath, meaning that it'll easily outpace Starfire for DPS, except under heavy haste (I've noticed that pushback seems to be dependent on haste too, so with bloodlust and conc aura, pushback isn't so much of an issue on Starfire).

Hi!!!

Playing the first Time Moonkin after a long Time being Resto i have some questions 2 you Guys.

This is my Char
The World of Warcraft Armory

It could be that you will see my Resto Gear as i was healing Yesterday @ Malygos (10) kill.

My Moonkin Build is. 55/0/16

World of Warcraft Europe -> Talents

Rotation
MF
SF -> SF
Proc -> W
refresh MF

3/3 Intensity
With all the Spirit we get now I Think Intensity > Dreamstate

3/3 Improved Insect Swarm
Gives me 3% Crit for SF if i put MF on the Target. If i understand this right i will get the 3% even if there is no IS on the Target right?


I will try to get more Hit gear soon.
Reputation dagger Flameheart Spell Scalpel
Heroic Bages Offhand
Heroic Bages Neck (I am unsure if i should get the one with mp5 oder spirit. But i think if is stay with Intensity the spirit one should be better?)
Hit Trinket from the Dala Heroic Ini.


Thanks in Advanced for any Comments !

Not to step out of place or anything, but this thread is rapidly becoming the same as the previous thread that was locked.
Is there any chance of seeing a unified thread with actual data about stats, builds, rotations and so on in the first post, and questions/explanations/opinions after, like in the old Efejel's thread?
I realize that's probably going to take quite a bit of work by one of the EJ stuff, but that'll save a lot of repeating questions and topics in this thread.
Sorry if I'm out of place, shutting up now.

Well after my first foray into Naxx(10) I think I am going to scrap 3/3 Eclipse until my crit vastly improves, we had no mage so that made matters worse by missing out on the 10% crit buff. I just couldn't reliably get SF Eclipse to proc within a few casts that I used to be able to do at 70, infact I could chain cast wrath for 20 seconds sometimes and get no proc. I am going to change Eclipse to 1/3 and only use it when it procs off SF until my gear improves and then I will change back.

I am also rather unimpressed with the IS Glyph and I am going to switch it for the innervate glyph for now.

After doing quite a few 10man and 25man bosses, I can't see myself giving too much love for the using wrath during Eclipse procs. While my DPS isn't bad, my gear isn't either. I think I can pull out much more damage focusing on starfire procs. Player Report: Rosoo

Isn't there a mod available to help manage the internal cooldown of eclipse?

SquawkAndAwe

The only problem with chain casting wrath though is it is extremely difficult currently to support it due to mana concerns. This is especially problematic currently due to the poor gear everyone is running around in. I found myself choosing SF over wrath even during a wrath eclipse purely because I was worried about going OOM.

Sorry to be so anally retentive but there are a lot of things that can be done at Level 80, so if this thread is about Moonkin Raiding Specs, a title like… “Moonkin Raiding Specs” for example would be clearer and more fitting.

Also – please look at the locked "Moonkin WotLK Talent Preview / Discussion" thread (especially the end of it). A lot of questions are getting asked here that have been answered there already.

Frenzi - if your build is for 10-man raiding only, then you might want to take Improved Faerie Fire unless you always have a Shadow Priest in your group.

I would also drop Owlkin Frenzy (which is very situational) and get either DPS talents (Improved MF and Nature's Splendor I guess?) or more mana regen since you report it as an issue (Dreamstate).

I wanted a broader range of discussion than just talent specs. Alot of things effect our performance beyond a talent spec. Now people are accrueing experience at 80 I wanted to know what experience people were having with the class as a whole. For instance mana has been a major issue for me and several people advised me how to combat that problem and what the cause of it might be.

I agree that IFF is needed and I am respeccing again tonight to include it. Owlkin Frenzy can be utilised quite heavily on trash especially if AoEing. I quite often pull aggro on purpose on trash to get them to beat on me to proc OF to do additional AoE damage. It can be a risky strategy but it is one I have become quite good at and after playing a mage for so long having the armour to be able to worry less about mobs beating on you is a refreshing change. It also activates quite often during bosses and still feel it is of more use than IIS which will be the only thing I will be skipping with my new build.

Then something like "Raiding as a Moonkin." Otherwise you will start to get solo/PVP questions and the thread becomes very messy and you end up having to sift through lot of posts which are not relevant to what you want to discuss.

To add to what Dukes said above:

If you are taking IFF, then I would drop Owlkin Frenzy for it. Trash doesn't matter (it's not a challenge - the bosses are) and pulling aggro on purpose to proc it sounds quite insane. It's not only very risky, it must be extremely annoying for both the tanks and the healers.

I also don't understand why do you raise Improved Insect Swarm as an alternative talent. I might be mistaken, but I am pretty confident that both Improved Moonfire and Nature's Splendor are better talents than IIS and you have neither of those.