Correct result, faulty logic. Crit's usefulness or lack thereof has nothing to do with the RNG. You'll have good days and bad days, yes, but ignoring Nature's Grace, Crit and Haste provide the exact same benefit in the long run: You multiply your DPS by 1+X%. Crit historically has had two factors against it: it costs about 1.7 times as much as haste to put 1% crit on an item, and you had incidental Crit on your gear and from intellect and talents, while you were starting at 0 with haste. The first case is still very valid. The second is also somewhat true (You move from about 14% incidental crit, 0 haste to about 27% incidental crit, 11% incidental haste), but moving things up the scale works to bring the two closer together. The only thing Crit had working to counter this effect is Nature's Grace, but that was never good enough to completely close the gap.

You also had to worry about the fact that IS doesn't scale with Crit, and Moonfire scales very poorly with it, though of course they also both scale very very poorly with Haste. Those two cases are even more problematic now. IS has finally gotten to the point where, glyphed, it's definitely positive-scaling WRT Starfire, making both it and Moonfire greatly increase the value of Spellpower, relatively.

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With respect to a benchmark for crit, no there really isn't one. Adding crit lowers your expected time-to-proc for Eclipse, nothing more. There may be certain benefits from the simulator or Rawr which show that passing integral numbers of casts by adding crit changes the basic rotation some, but that's flawed in practice, as you'll never get that same integral number of casts consistently. If the simulator or Rawr is heavily basing its cast choices based on that, it mucks with the average case. You're always going to get more DPS by being adaptive, rather than trying to stick to a set rotation.

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Not soon. I'm not a huge fan of Curse in general, though I plan on taking a look at it again at some point and reevaluating. As for now, it's on WoWI and has found its way onto WoWMatrix (It's always odd when you get home and your addon updater updates the local copy of the addon you're writing...), so I figure it's probably getting enough exposure already.

Ah, sorry about that, never even bothered with the Simple Answers as it's filled with Feral/Resto issues as well, and is a mess to look through for valuable information.
Many thanks Kuruk, and many thanks for your post in general!
So to sum up:
at 1942 Spell Power, Haste and SP are worth about the same. Hit is the most valuable stat until cap of course, as it has always been. Crit is the last and least of the "DPS" stats, and Int is slightly more important than Spirit.
Sorry I'm double posting, but I think it's best to have those stats in this thread, which is Moonkin specific.

As of last week Fire Seeds were bugged and they did not provide any benefit. Have they hotfixed this? Did you try using them out of combat and check the spell power in your character tab to see if it's actually changing anything? Also try using them -not- in conjunction with eclipse to get more accurate results. With the short duration temporary spell power buffs the best usage is probably two starfires then wrath (Even when not in eclipse) for the last part of the duration so you don't waste 2 full seconds of the buff with poor timing. I'll test again tonight, but last tuesday they were not working.


Dots tick damage is determined at the time of application. This was why you could stack spell power consumables before applying your initial moonfire and roll it throughout the fight before they changed the Starfire glyph. I've seen no changes to this, if I apply a dot while under the Sundial effect it ticks for 1200 the entire duration of the dot. Hurricane works a bit differently than normal dots (It can crit for one). Hurricane also only will proc sundial on initial cast, not per channeled tick.

Has there been any word about upcoming changes/buffs/nerfs to Moonkins in the next patch? I've been reading mmo-champion to see what direction the devs are taking with Balance but all I see is nonstop stuff back and forth about Feral armor.