RareBeast

I've been repeatedly coming back to threads here & on Wowwiki looking for these and figured it would be useful to more than just myself to have them consolidated in one post.

All of these are for Level 80 Feral with HotW, SotF & Imp.MotW talents. Numbers in (brackets) are with Blessing of Kings :-


Strength
1 Str = 2.37864 AP (2.616504 AP) (Cat)
1 Str = 2.1624 AP (2.37864 AP) (Bear)
1 Str = 2.292144 AP (2.5213584 AP) (Bear with PotP)


Agility

1 Agi = 1.18932 AP (1.308252 AP) (Cat only)
1 Agi = 0.0129744% (0.01427184%) Crit
1 Agi = 0.0225641% (0.0248206%) Dodge
1 Agi = 2.1624 (2.37864) Armor

77.075 (70.068) Agi = 1% Crit
44.318 (40.289)Agi = 1% Dodge


Stamina
1 Sta = 10.812 (11.8932) Health (Cat)
1 Sta = 14.8665 (16.35315) Health (Bear)


Intellect
1 Int = 19.4616 (21.40776) Mana
1 Int = 0.00778464% (0.0085631%) SpellCrit

125.458 (116.780) Int = 1% SpellCrit

Intellect also increases the amount of health & mana regen you get from Spirit - not very important for ferals


Spirit
Spirit increases your out of combat health regen and your out of 5sec rule mana regen - not very important for ferals


Crit Rating
1 CritRating = 0.022% Crit
45.91 CritRating = 1% Crit


Dodge Rating
1 DodgeRating = 0.0220982% Dodge
45.2525 DodgeRating = 1% Dodge


Haste Rating
1 HasteRating = 0.03965% Haste
25.223 HasteRating = 1% Haste


Hit Rating
1 HitRating = 0.030% Hit
32.79 HitRating = 1% Hit

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5% Hit = 163.95 HitRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5% Hit = 180.34 HitRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6% Hit = 196.74 HitRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 8% Hit = 262.32 HitRating (Raid Bosses)


Expertise Rating
1 ExpertiseRating = 0.0305% reduction in dodge & parry chance
32.79 ExpertiseRating = 1% reduction in dodge & parry chance

Cap vs Level 80 mob = 5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 163.95 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 81 mob = 5.5%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 180.345 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 82 mob = 6%(Dodge) / ?%(Parry) = 196.74 / ? ExpertiseRating
Cap vs Level 83 mob = 6.5%(Dodge) / 15%(Parry) = 213.135 / 491.85 ExpertiseRating (Raid Bosses)

The 10 Expertise we get from Primal Precision is equivalent to 81.975 ExpertiseRating so subtract that from the above figures if you have that talent.


Defense Rating
1 DefenseRating = 0.008% dodge and 0.008% chance to be missed and 0.008% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )
122.96 Defense Rating = 1% chance to dodge and 1% chance to be missed and 1% reduced chance to be crit (Crit reduction not needed for PvE if you have SotF )

1 DefRating = 0.64 DodgeRating (counting misses as dodges)


ArmorPenetration Rating
1 ArPenRating = 0.07145% ArmorPenetration
13.9957272 ArPenRating = 1% Armor Penetration

ArPen cap (100%) = 1400 ArPen


Resilience
94.27125 Resilience = -1% chance to be crit, -2.2% crit damage, -1% all damage & -2.2% mana drain reduction

1414.06872 Resilience = 33% reduction from crit damage = the cap for this part of resilience's effect


Regualar (white) Armor
Includes non-bonus armor from all slots except rings, trinkets, neck & weapon. All armor from rings, trinkets, neck & weapon as well as armor patchs & any bonus (green) armor on items & armor from Agi receive no bonus from SotF, Thick Hide or the metagem

1 Armor = 6.251 Armor (Bear)
1 Armor = 6.8761 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide)
1 Armor = 7.013622 Armor (Bear with Thick Hide & Armor Metagem)

Damage Reduction from Armor % = Armor * 100 / (Armor + (467.5 * AttackerLevel - 22167.5))

DR% for Lvl83 Boss mobs = Armor * 100 / (Armor + 16635)

Armor cap (75% DR) for Lvl83 Boss mobs = 49905 Armor





Any feedback, suggestions and/or corrections are welcome and will be incorporated into this post

 

Rainman5419

Good to find a consolidated place for all the stats, but all of the stat breakdowns are in the currently locked Cat or Bear threads in the forums. Then again the druid subforum seems a bit of a mess atm, so I'm not sure how exactly the mods want all the information split/consolidated.

 

Tulathros

Simplicity has its place, a thread with exact numbers is not the place for simplicity, i would highly recommend including the extra 6% from SotF. I would also consider adding in a "with kings" option, for example:

x stat = y stat (stat with kings)

Strength
1 Str = 2.32(2.5) AP (Cat)
1 Str = 2.0(2.2) AP (Bear)

Also you have a typo in your defense section, should be 0.008% not 1%

 

RareBeast

Thanks for that, typo is fixed.


I wasn't sure whether or not to include SotF. For Strength it is simple. But when you start getting into things like how much dodge and crit you get from Agi, and how many Agi = 1% dodge & crit then it gets a bit more complicated. As soon as I get a chance, i'll go through and include the SotF & Kings figures. Every feral should have SotF so i'll use that as the base and then add a BoK figure in a different colour.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

Ja7us

This isn't right. The cap for 15% parry should be somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 expertise rating, not 191.

 

charriu

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t29453-c...gs_level_80_a/

15% -parry = 15 * 32.79 = 491.85 expertise rating to negate 15% parry.

 

RareBeast

Thanks Charriu, yet another typo fixed I checked it all so carefully I thought.




Thanks for that Abradix. I re-read the Wowiki pages along with your info and I see where I was misunderstanding the expertise to expertise rating ratio. Fixed in the original post now.

 

Abranor

I'm curious about the expertise cap against boss level mobs. In this thread I'm reading that the Expertise cap (for no dodged attacks) is 213.13. However under the Class Mechanics forum thread FAQ Working theories of raiding at level 80 I'm reading that the Expertise cap (for no dodged attacks) is 189.

Am I missing something?

 

kalbear

It depends on what assumption of dodge rates you have for a mob is. And that's a bit debatable. It ranges from 6.25% (what was listed there) to 7% (here) and 7.5% (elsewhere). Same goes for parry. It's really not known; each boss has different values for both dodge and parry.

To be clear, there is no expertise 'cap' in the sense that more will not be counted at all. There is no hard number for this. There are simply targets.

 

Mijae

They are probably still using the cap as 5.6% rather than 6.5%. There was some discussion on this a while back and while I don't remember where to find the definite conclusive results, the consensus was 6.5%.

The parry cap is also in question. I remember reading it was actually slightly below 15%.

Feral DruidStats spreadsheet - discontinued

 

Abranor

Thank you for your replies, I'll err on the side of caution and go with 6.5% as the cap untill there is proof otherwise. It gives me a place to steer the ferals in my guild towards when looking for the actual "cap" numbers.

 

hyphae

I am new at the whole feral aspect of the druid. i do how ever have one question. When getting gear for stats what do i look for the most and what do i look for the least? Meaning with a mage you would look for Hit > Haste > Spell Damage > Spell Crit. and with that you would want to get 164 hit (max) then once you get 164 hit you move to the next one which would be haste which say you wanted 300 haste and then you move to spell damage.

What if at all is it for a feral druid in bear form and cat form.

Thank you for any advice given.

 

♦ Abradix

Try asking in the Feral questions thread, this is not the place for such a question.

 

spartakos

About the new FAP posts.
Don't you think that talents/skills like Predatory Strikes, Savage Roar will take a big hit from this change. Especially Predatory Strikes becomes wasted,but unfortunately necessary, talent points once more.

 

Daboran

If you could amend the numbers as suggested earlier, to include Sotf and brakcet for Kings etc, this might make a good sticky thread. We could then have seperate threads for other Druid faq's instead of having one multipage sticky.

 

hyphae

How is this not a place for such a question? Doesn't the title say "Feral Druid Numbers"? Last time I checked it did and that was what I was asking for. I could see this being the wrong place if I was asking something about a talent but I'm not. Please think before you post because that was very rude the way you put it.

Thank You.

 

coldbear

Look in the (currently locked) Feral Cat and Feral Bear Megathreads.

Long story short, Bear: Sta or Sta/Agi with as much Armour as you can manage excepting on cloaks/necks/rings where it (in a few days) no longer matters, Expertise (very important) Dodge, Defense and maybe some Hit too.

Cat: Hit to 295 iirc dep on talents, Exp and Str way over Agi, which is a bit of a change from TBC when it was ALL about the Agi.

As is, the 80 endgame can be cleared in quest greens, so the entire focus of these forums is kind of in limbo right now, 25 puggers who've done Karazhan a few times can easily farm the best PVE gear in the game right now. And nevermind the natives here, they can be a little abrasive. It is, after all, the Elitist JERKS forum. You may also want to read all the stickies in various forums, and try a little more searching next time.

Edit: Nvm Abradix, the guy obviously didn't even bother looking at the rest of the threads in this forum or even googling anything. My mistake. Here, I just did his work for him:
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36680-f...at_megathread/
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36681-f...ar_megathread/

Author of Every Boss In The Game (3.0.9), 100 Dead Death Knights, Fun In Ulduar, Guide: How To Feral DPS
Wow Wiki Feral DPS guide and Best of WoW

 

Pharmacon

What's the chance we get those two thread stickied so people are more likely to read them instead of going straight to asking questions that are 95% likely to be in there?

 

Mithuata

Do we know the crit % of a naked cat at level 80 before talents?

 

RareBeast

Updated the original post to include SotF in all relevant calculations and added figures with BoK in (brackets). Also added a section for Armor and DR% as suggested.

 

Erdluf

Looking at my armory, that should be -1% DoT damage and -2.2% mana drain.

 

Humbaba

I'm currently resto specced and in my healing gear with 0 extra agility and 0 crit rating I have 12.4% to crit. That is with master shapeshifter, so it should be 8.4% base.