As far as I know, hit helps you with melee swing. The reason you are missing mangle and shreds is because you need 26 expertise (considering you are attacking from behind) to reach the cap and you only have 20.

Quoting the hover over text in wws "(evade, immune, absorb, etc)" it was probably from mangling the gargoyle trash in plague wing if one of them regened hp.

You only had 1 dodged mangle during patchwerk so it probably wasn't a miss.

Mounted death knights (forgive me forgot the name) have the ability to cast bone armor. Unless dispelled your hit will be absorbed which fits perfectly in the category posted in the previous post.

Hey I had a question about the usefulness of the 4-piece t7.5 bonus. If you check out my armory you will see that I am sporting the helm/shoulders/legs/chest however I have The Leggings of the Honored sitting in my bank, which I was using before I got the t7.5 helm. In addition, I have the t7.5 hands in the bank.

One option I was considering was keeping my setup as it is until I am able to get the Chestguard of the Recluse, then switch it all out. What do you think?

Yes, 54.8 is the correct number. I'm pretty sure we have used (54.8 + AP/14) for base damage since hitting 60. Simply multiply that by 2.5 for bear form. I'm not sure where the number was first derived, but I have been using it in my spreadsheet since the very first version. If you found 55 anywhere, it would have only been an estimate.

Ah thanks. Well I guess the 55 quickly got the "common estimate", as it's the only number I've ever seen on these kind of topics.

*edit* Feral attack power@WoWWiki ok, durr, why didn't I find that earlier?

New Feral Druid Numbers with SotF, HotW, and Imp MotW included. I did the math to add Imp MotW's 2% bonus attributes the same way the OP added Kings and stuff to his original numbers, if you think that the 2% from Imp MotW and 6% SotF stack to 8% please tell me. (Kings)

Strength
Cat - 2.37864 AP (2.616504 AP)
Bear - 2.1224 AP (2.33464 AP)
Bear with PotP - 2.292144 (2.5213584 AP)

Agility
1.18932 AP (Cat Only) (1.308252 AP)
.0129744% crit (.01427184% crit)
.025948% dodge (.0285428% dodge)
2.1624 armor (2.37864 armor)

77.05 agility - 1% crit (69.345)
38.54 agility - 1% dodge (34.686)

Stamina
1 Stamina - 10.812 Health (11.8932 Health)
1 Stamina - 16.218 Health (bear only) (17.8398 Health)

Intellect
1 Intellect - 19.4616 Mana (21.40776 Mana)
1 Intellect - .007785% spell crit (.0085635%)

128.45 Intellect - 1% Spell Crit (116.78)

First let me saythis post is awesome for the numbers. I was reading through and there seems to be some debate on feral hit/expertise cap.

I was hoping someone could take a look at my gear to see if i gemmed it right. Ive tried to follow RAWR as much as possible. I know my spec is not the iseal dps spec. Thats only cause my guild had me tank 25 naxx last night and i didnt get a chance to respec just yet. The problem is seem to running across is the I cant pump out the combo points fast enough to maintain SR and rip up using shred instead of mangle. I always seem to let one fall off. Ive tried follow Rawr with the rotation that it said I should be doing. But thats where the problem comes in at cause it has me doing 2Cp SR with always seems to fall off by the time i get 5 CP to put up rip.

Also another problem I see happening alot is I'll get a 5CP rip up and when I go to refresh it. It tells me a more powerful spell is already active? Whats up with that? Is it a bug or something?

Be careful following RAWR as it has been overvalueing expertise and hit (by a good bit). Toskk and Astrylian recently put their heads together and the new beta Rawr better reflects the value of exp and hit.

The reason you get a "more powerful spell" message is that your last rip was applied with some sort of AP buff active that is no longer active (proc or buff).

First to the poster above, Tigers Fury is something that will help you generate CP a lot (don't know if you have that normally in your spec).

To the rawr - exp/hit thing;
I find that strange to hear. For dps I think it is very important to become hit and expertise capped. Often rawr showed me the non-hit item was better which would leave me non-hit capped. Of course I am mostly comparing high level items with each other. It could be some blue hit item could have too much value compared to an other one.
One correct implementation of rawr is: Once you are hitcapped (from what I can recollect seeing in rawr), hit looses all value. But as long as you are not capped 1 hit is worth as much at nearly capped as it would be when you have 0 hit. Same goes for expertise.

The only times where I can imagine hit and expertise being wrongly valued could when you are not fully capped, or for tanking, where you are most likely not capped. There is currently not much hit on tanking gear, and all though there is much expertise you will most likely not get to the 14/15% parry cap. Valuing a stat vs expertise is a tough one. Expertise gives more threat, but also a damage reduction. Hit also gives more threat. In 3.1 threat may very well become an issue but for most bosses at the moment it is not (Malygos probably being the only exception). So at the moment you don't have to worry about hit/expertise for tanking much. But if you have the opportunity get some items that have it, possibly some high level "rogue" items where haste, crit and agility with the upcoming SD shield will get more value.

So to conclude you say rawr overvalues expertise. I think in 3.1 expertise will gain value because threat will in my view become an issue.

multipliers are multiplicative. soft+impMoW = 1.06*1.02 = +8.12%

base paw damage was already computed base_paw=54.857.

new stam to hp conversion is according to abraxxes: 10*1.06*1.02*1.10*1.25(*1.1) = 14.8665 (16.35315)

As for hit/exp cap look at my post here: Druid Changes Patch 3.1