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Old 02/12/10, 11:16 AM   #251
Cluey
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Originally Posted by Umah View Post
Rannasha thanks for your insights, this will save me lots of Gold

Though my calucations result into different numbers, did I miss something?:

Scaling part of Rake - Spell - World of Warcraft AP * 0.18

Enchant 2H Weapon - Scourgebane - Spell - World of Warcraft scaling with Predatory Strikes - Spell - World of Warcraft: 140 AP * 1.1 * 1.2 = 184.8 AP
Enchant 2H Weapon - Scourgebane - Spell - World of Warcraft not scaling with Predatory Strikes - Spell - World of Warcraft: 140 * 1.1 = 154 AP
Difference: 30.8 AP

Resulting Rake DMG per tick difference Undead vs non-Undead mob: 30.8 * 0.18 * 1.1 * 1.04 = 5.54400 DMG.

Edit: Master Shapeshifter - Spell - World of Warcraft does affect Rake ticks? What about Naturalist - Spell - World of Warcraft then?

If both affect Rake ticks, then the resulting Rake DMG per tick difference Undead vs non-Undead mob: 30.8 * 0.18 * 1.1 * 1.04 = 6.342336 DMG.

p.s. Wowhead says the DoT scaling of Rake is AP * 0.18. The AP scaling works against the whole spell not each tick? (3 ticks each 0.06 AP)? If that is the case, with my numbers the difference is rather 30.8 * 0.06 * 1.1 * 1.04 = 2.114112 DMG

Edit 2: NVM now it fits with your calcuations. (if Naturalist doesn't scale Rake ticks, its 30.8 * 0.06 * 1.04 = 1.92192)
You need to re-read Master Shapeshifter - Spell - World of Warcraft as you can't cast rake in Bear form. Naturalist should effect it and I'm sure if it didn't it would have been brought up by someone in the last year.

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Old 02/12/10, 12:43 PM   #252
Rannasha
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Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by Umah View Post
Resulting Rake DMG per tick difference Undead vs non-Undead mob: 30.8 * 0.18 * 1.1 * 1.04 = 5.54400 DMG.
This is the part where you go wrong. The difference of 38 AP is between Pred. Str. affecting Scourgebane and Pred. Str. not affecting Scourgebane. Only one of these is true, but you can't determine with just one Rake-test which it is. Therefore you need to check how much AP Scourgebane actually adds, by comparing an undead mob (where Scourgebane works in fullest) to a non-undead mob (where Scourgebane doesn't add anything).

And Cluey is correct, MSS does not add a percentage bonus to damage in cat form, so ignore my comments on that.

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Old 02/12/10, 7:14 PM   #253
Umah
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If I got it right, SB has to add (140 * Predatory Strikes) * HotW * Naturalist - if it scales.
So the Rake tick damage on an undead mob must be (140 * 1.2) * 0.06 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 12.1968 higher. Correct now?
If it just adds (SB-AP) * HotW * Naturalist, then it does not scale.

Edit:

Results

1111 Dmg per Rake tick on an Undead
1099 Dmg per Rake tick on an non-Undead

Undead #1: Imageshack - rakeundead1screenshot02.jpg
Undead: #2: Imageshack - rakeundead2screenshot02.jpg
Non-undead #1: Imageshack - rakenonundead1screensho.jpg
Non-undead#2: Imageshack - rakenonundead2screensho.jpg
Scourgebane: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/730...1310020822.jpg
No 4xT10, no proc trinkets, rings, idols, amulets.

Difference: 12 DMG => Scourgebane works?!

Manually adding Scourgebane to Rawr giving static 140 AP adds 21 DPS more than Mongoose (shortly followed by Berserking)

Edit: Before many jump on the bandwagon - testing in Simulationcraft shows Mongoose > Scourgebane > Berserking at some BiS levels, same for my current item setup (early/mid ICC-mix).
So: before you enchant this, test it by modifying simulationcrafts configuration in before simulation like " enchant=140ap,weapon... " where your main hand appears.

Last edited by Umah : 02/28/10 at 8:56 AM.

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Old 02/21/10, 6:18 PM   #254
Mjoedgaard
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Scarshield Legion (EU)
A good thing to add under hit rating is that Growl - Spell - World of Warcraft uses spell hit and therefor need 17% spell hit or with glyph+spriest/boomking 6% spell hit.

nothing:
17% = 17*26.232=445,944 hit rating
with spriest/boomkin
17%-3%=14%
14*26.232=367,248
with glyph
17%-8%=9%
9*26,232=236,088
with glyph and spriest/boomkin
17%-8%-3%=6%
6*26,232=157,392

/edit: this is ofcourse against a level 83 mob.

Last edited by Mjoedgaard : 02/21/10 at 8:26 PM.

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