Feral Druid Numbers (updated for 3.2.2) - Page 16

nightlily · 08/31/09, 5:50 PM

Originally Posted by nightcrowler

The crit cap is only for white damage and its:

76% (24% from glancing) if you are hit/exp capped.

or anything between:

61.5%-76% depending on your exp and hit.

Also remember that we have a -4.8% crit suppression on bosses so the effective sheet value is between 66.3% and 80.8%.

I am intrigued. What's the formula for that? Basically how do I find out where I land, if I am short of the exp or hit cap? (I'm not, I'm just wondering.. I can't seem to get rid of enough hit to not overcap)

alarge · 08/31/09, 6:10 PM

Originally Posted by nightlily

I am intrigued. What's the formula for that? Basically how do I find out where I land, if I am short of the exp or hit cap? (I'm not, I'm just wondering.. I can't seem to get rid of enough hit to not overcap)

Maybe I'm not understanding your question properly, but here's what I think Nightcrowler was saying:

* 24% chance for glancing blow
* 8% chance for miss
* 6.5% chance to be dodged
(assuming that you can't be parried or blocked because you are attacking from the back).

This gives you a 61.5% chance for a hit. So the "crit cap" in this case is 61.5% (will show on your paper doll as 66.3% chance to crit). Now, you can remove all 8% of the chance to miss (by hit capping) and all 6.5% of the chance to be dodged (by expertise capping), which will leave you with 76% chance to hit. So the crit cap in that case would be 76% (80.8% on the paper doll). As far as the incremental values between 61.5% and 76% -- just apply the normal hit and expertise formulas.

Make sense?

Furial · 09/01/09, 12:59 AM

I'm sorry, i might be missing some key thing here but how do you get the value of 15.39529991 ArPenRating = 1% Armor Penetration?

I'm currently at 537 ArP Rating and that is deducted into 43.60% Armor Pen.

This turns into 12.31651376 ArPenRating per %.

Boevis · 09/01/09, 6:57 AM

Many threads never updated the correct ArP value in the main post, it's 12.31623993 = 1% currently, with a potential change to 13.99572719 as of 3.2.2 (based on the current PTR). The 15.39~ is the old value

RareBeast · 09/22/09, 7:48 PM

OP udated with the 3.2.2 ArPen changes.

As usual, please let me know if you notice any mistakes - I must have mucked up the editing here with the previous 25% ArPen increase as the versions I keep at Allakhazam and Emmeralds both had the change included.

bung · 10/02/09, 3:07 PM

I'm trying to make a simple spreadsheet to calculate how much buffed HP I have:

Formula Looks something like
TOTAL_HP = (total_stamina)*1.1(HotW)*1.06(SotF)*1.02(IMotW)*1.1(Kings)*1.25(Bear)*10(HP/sta) + (HP_modifiers)

Total Stamina includes:
IMotW = 52
IFort = 214
Gear+base = 2560 (from character tab unbuffed in human form)

HP Modifiers include:
Commanding shout or Blood Pack
Flask

My numbers come out to be about 3K less then what I've actually seen. I am putting in 2826 for total_stamina and 0 for HP_modifiers getting 46214 HP, I believe unflasked I've seen 51K+.

Am I completely wrong at my approach? Am I forgetting something stupid like a buff or base HP naked is not included in character sheet?

kalbear · 10/02/09, 4:41 PM

HotW, SotF and Imp MotW are additive, giving 1.18 total. But that would result in actually lower values than what you're seeing, not greater.

Are you including a lvl 80 base stamina in there? Food buffs?

bung · 10/02/09, 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by nightcrowler

multipliers are multiplicative. soft+impMoW = 1.06*1.02 = +8.12%

base paw damage was already computed base_paw=54.857.

new stam to hp conversion is according to abraxxes: 10*1.06*1.02*1.10*1.25(*1.1) = 14.8665 (16.35315)

As for hit/exp cap look at my post here: Druid Changes Patch 3.1

Additive? Did something change? I totally forgot food buffs, that helps. Anything else I could be forgetting?

Re shout/blood_pack: I acknowledge them, and they are in the sheet already

bung · 10/02/09, 8:54 PM

night Elf
8277 HP naked human
8677 HP naked in bear

Assuming there is 2 components to my health points, x= some health that is not affected by dire bear form (an offset), and y= some health that gets 1.375 bonus from bear+HotW (1.1*1.25)
x+y = 8277
x+y*1.375 = 8677

y = 1066.667

wowwiki suggests first 20 stamina yeilds 20 HP
in that case
20+(z-20)*1.06*1.02*10 = 1067
z=97 base stamina

but if wowwiki is wrong
z*10*1.06*1.02=1067
z=99 base stamina

Looking at the character sheet
I have 104 stamina in human form, which is close enough to 97*1.06*1.02 for me to believe wowwiki is right.
I have 131+13 stamina in bear form (note 104*1.25 is 130, and +13 from HotW talent active in bear form only)

That means I have 7210 health offset that is modified by nothing?

Calculating a final HP in human form then should look like 7210 + 20 + (stamina-20)*1.06*1.02*10
Calculating a final HP in bear form then should look like 7210 + 20 + (stamina-20)*1.06*1.02*1.1*1.25*10

My stamina in a high stamina set is 2560
HP_human = 32837 <--> calculated = 34692
HP_bear = 42447 <--> calculated = 44990

Any help finding my logical error is greatly appreciated!

Jogath · 12/01/09, 4:37 PM

Do we know if any of these numbers are changing in 3.3? I've not kept myself intune with the PTR as much as I usually do...

RareBeast · 12/01/09, 6:19 PM

Nothing I have seen so far has implied that any of our numbers are changing. If people hear otherwise, can they post details here in case I miss anything.

Kandra · 12/10/09, 10:09 PM

Do you know has Mijae updated his druidstats spreadsheet?
Or if not is there another comparable one out there?

Sadirin · 01/06/10, 4:38 PM

Hi
Since this maintenance could it be that the Threat-API forgets the 50% Aggrobonus we have on Bear-Swipe?

Used: Omen and TankadinDPS for Threatanalyse. Both use the Blizzard-Threat-API, so the numbers should be from the server (newest version)

Maul
Damage: 2535
Threat in API: 6135
Threat theory: 2,07 x (damage + 424)
Threat expected: 6125

Beer-Mangle
Damage 1032
Threat in API 2139
Threat theorey 2,07 x damage
Threat expected: 2136

all fine, until I tested Beer-Swipe:

Beer-Swipe
Damage: 611
Threat in API: 1266
Threat theory: 2,07x damage x1,5
Aggro expected: 1897

703 damage - expected threat 2182
703 damage - API-threat 1457

352 damage - expected threat 1092
352 damage - API-threat 729

349 damage - expected threat 1083
349 damage - API-threat 723

etc ...

Could it be that there is no more 50% bonus on Beer-Swipe? Or is my Theorycrafting-Fu so weak that I got hysterical and lost some basic and massive changes to the threat generation system?

kalbear · 01/06/10, 4:57 PM

Interesting. And no, there's nothing there that is wrong. Swipe scales precisely by damage and nothing else, and it's 2.07*1.5 (or it was).

That would explain some fairly weak findings. I'd go ahead and report it. I'll try and test it too and see if I can repro.

ETA: I went and tested it in my bear and cat specs, using Omen as the threat analysis. I didn't find what you found. My average swipe damage was around 650, and my average threat was spot on the expected value of ~2k at that level of damage. Crits didn't seem to change this either. Nor did multiple enemies.

Either Omen's wrong or the way you got the information is wrong.

bung · 01/25/10, 8:48 PM

I am trying to make a spreadsheet for druid tanks, which can calculate raid buffed stats from the armory information (basically unbuffed and in human-form). I am struggeling to get numbers to match the character sheet however, by several percent.

One resource I question the numbers in:
Dodge - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Are armor talents mulitplicitave or additive? (I couldn't get either to fit)

One complication is it appears most Attribute adjustments are factored into the character sheet, are there any that do not?

Here is one such example problem:

0 buffs <> RestoSpec (only 2% attribute talent from IMotW) <> 1272 Agility <> 0 DodgeRating
87 base agility (no gear), 5.61 base dodge (any assumptions on this?)

Calculated pre-diminishing dodge should be:

1272/44.318 + 5.61 = 28.70
Character sheet dodge = 28.34

Is character sheet calculating with DR despite the tooltip saying otherwise?