About the new FAP posts.
Don't you think that talents/skills like Predatory Strikes, Savage Roar will take a big hit from this change. Especially Predatory Strikes becomes wasted,but unfortunately necessary, talent points once more.

How is this not a place for such a question? Doesn't the title say "Feral Druid Numbers"? Last time I checked it did and that was what I was asking for. I could see this being the wrong place if I was asking something about a talent but I'm not. Please think before you post because that was very rude the way you put it.

Thank You.

They way i understood the blue post, we will still gain FAP - just that i won't state so on the weapon. Instead a 155 dps weapon will automatically convert to (154 - ~55) * 14 = 1400 AP for us. So Predatory Instincts and Savage Roar shouldn't be affected.

If i misunderstood it though and we will no longer get AP from weapons, we WILL suffer a significant DPS loss from the change. Not only due to savage roar but also many of our abilities only scale with AP, not with weapon damage (like rip, rake, bite).

Look in the (currently locked) Feral Cat and Feral Bear Megathreads.

Long story short, Bear: Sta or Sta/Agi with as much Armour as you can manage excepting on cloaks/necks/rings where it (in a few days) no longer matters, Expertise (very important) Dodge, Defense and maybe some Hit too.

Cat: Hit to 295 iirc dep on talents, Exp and Str way over Agi, which is a bit of a change from TBC when it was ALL about the Agi.

As is, the 80 endgame can be cleared in quest greens, so the entire focus of these forums is kind of in limbo right now, 25 puggers who've done Karazhan a few times can easily farm the best PVE gear in the game right now. And nevermind the natives here, they can be a little abrasive. It is, after all, the Elitist JERKS forum. You may also want to read all the stickies in various forums, and try a little more searching next time.

Edit: Nvm Abradix, the guy obviously didn't even bother looking at the rest of the threads in this forum or even googling anything. My mistake. Here, I just did his work for him:
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36680-f...at_megathread/
http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36681-f...ar_megathread/

Do we know the crit % of a naked cat at level 80 before talents?

Updated the original post to include SotF in all relevant calculations and added figures with BoK in (brackets). Also added a section for Armor and DR% as suggested.

Looking at my armory, that should be -1% DoT damage and -2.2% mana drain.

Yeah DoT damage was my mistake but the mana drain bit I can't find any other info to support the extra 0.2% .


edit: Just found the info on the mana-drain effect increase:-

So I assume the increase to the Crit damage reduction has been carried across to the mana drain even though it wasn't specifically mentioned in the 3.0.3 Patch Notes. Thanks for spotting that Erdluf.

I've been looking into gear choice while levelling to 80. I can't get a good handle on Haste or Armour Penetration, and how they relate to other stats on gear.

I'm sure I didn't miss it, as I searched the forum for euivalence ratings or anything I could use to generate them, but can't find anything. If I've missed it, apologies.

I'm not after four decimal places of accuracy or anything, but could really use an indicator of relative worth, mainly for DPS for levelling. I use ratingsbuster, so when I compare gear, I often have a choice like:
+15 AP
+0.3% Hit
+0.39% Crit
-1.3% Haste

Hit: I tend to use uncapped hit as a base. +1% hit, when uncapped is equal to around +1% more damage. I know it isn't exact, for abilities like rip and rake and some energy is refunded in certain circumstances, but it's probably good enough.

Crit: is similar, because you do double damage on a crit, but it doesn not affect rake, rip etc.

Attack Power. Does +x% AP increase your damage by a factor of x?

Haste. Again, does +x% Haste increase damage done by a factor of x? Or do you start running out of energy, and therefore it only really applies to white damage?

Armour Penetration. Similarly, is there any way to value this against other stats?

I have some numbers in my head and tend to value (in round 1% terms, and uncapped where applicable), Hit -> AP -> Crit -> Haste -> Armour Penetration. Am I way off?

AP basically increases your damage by a factor of x, as all your abilities scale with AP.
Haste only affects white attacks and omen of clarity procs. Even with higher OoC procs, haste is still not that great of a DPS stat; white damage is simply not that high relative to yellow damage. I rate it at about the same value as AP point per point, which means it's about half as good since you get double the AP normally.

ArPen is not bad, but right now it doesn't do a whole lot since it works on percentages instead of base values and mobs tend to have not a lot of armor. That + the bleed damage means that armor pen is slightly less valuable than haste, at least for me.

In general, it goes like this:
hit = expertise > strength > agility > AP > crit >>> haste > arpen.

You seem to have missed a 0 after the dot on the crit part with kings. Going from 0.012% to 0.139% is quite an increase.

Also, at the defense breakdown you listed 1 defrating as giving 1% crit reduction if we dont have SotF. I'm assuming you ment to place that at the defense skill part, only its listed there aswell. Maybe remove the line at defense rating?