Adoriele, could you also test the [Glyph of Focus] + [Glyph of Starfall] + [Glyph of Insect Swarm] combo? I am curious who much [Glyph of Focus] has gone up in value with the lower cooldown.

So as far as glyphs go, is it finalised that for a 1 MF rotation its SF, IS, Fall and for a 2 MF rotation, MF, IS, Fall? Because this is what is confusing me.

The last numbers I see are Adoriele's.

1 MF rotation, SFire MF IS wins.
2 MF rotation, SFall MF IS wins (by 8 DPS).

Extra considerations:

1) More than 1 target (Sarth, trash), SFall wins by a mile.
2) Lots of movement favors SFall (more "free" SFall and MF casts).
3) SFire scales better with SP (9+ extra ticks of MF every three minutes scales much better than 1 extra SFall every three minutes), and better with Haste (more GCD's spent casting SF, rather than instants). SFall scales better with crits (wtb MF dot crits).

Starfall: Cooldown reduced to 90 seconds.

Adoriele, my second spec is Moonkin, nad i was thiking, whats the best glyph combo for 3.1?

It ll be worth to use Glyph of Starfall?

I use Moonfire, Starfire and IS atm.

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Right, sorry if this is obvious, but math is a little melty in my brain. Basically, the numbers point to either MF/SFall/IS or MF/SF/IS, depending on rotation, is that right?

Mainly want to ask because I need to not Glyph IS for the -hit (worked out less of a DPS loss for me to not glyph it than for a hunter to work the sting into the rotation, and I like feeling useful, so not an issue), so does that mean that I can take the others from both options, ie MF/SF/SFall? Or is that just pure stupidity? Just want to be sure taking the best of one and the best of another doesn't mean having two half-assed halves.

I'm fairly sure that's the way I want to go with it, but I have been known to make bad decisions in the past.

It just doesnt compare with the other glyphs available. MF, SF, Sfall and IS are all superior in comparison.

I was wondering, what if you have a 1.5 moonfire rotation? Basically casting 3 moonfires every 2 eclipse cycles. Though i suppose this is mainly due to the moonfire increase starfire gives. Or because the moonfires are increased by starfire would this be considered a 1 moonfire rotation?

The tricky thing is, when are you casting the 3 MF's?

The whole 1MF v. 2MF thing arose (as I understand it, not sure if others were talking about this before Ador and I first did) because we're trying to avoid casting MF at any time other than during the Eclipse CD.

1) In any case, you should cast an MF right as the CD starts (or equivalently, ends, but the logic winds up the same). If you stop here, that's the 1MF rotation.
2) If you want, you can also clip this one and refresh at the end of the CD. That's the 2MF rotation.

But if (2) is worthwhile, then it's basically worthwhile every cycle. I know it feels lame to clip MF heavily, but due to the timing of Eclipse, there's no way to average out an intermediate number of casts. Either you think (2) is worthwhile and you do it each cycle, or you don't.

small experience report:
I tested Starfall glyph two raids each 4h long in Ulduar (Razorscale, Ignis and XT-002 Deconstructor).
Starfall Glyph set: Starfall-MF-IS; Starfire Glyph Set: SF-MF_IS.
My spell rotation is:IS-MF-W-->SF(eclipse)-SF.
Experience:
to make it short: My dps dropped significantly with the Starfall glyph set, about 200-300dps in average at razorscale and even higher at Ignis. I was not able to maintain a level of dps that I reached with Starfire glyph set and that I am used to (3300-4500dps). A certain part of this drastic drop in dps is surely caused by using a spell rotation that I am not familiar too. (weaving MF into the rotation was not very smooth). I also cannot provide you at this point of time with a wws reports to back my statement. So currently take it as a educated guess. I am fully aware that our theorycraft gurus say that both sets are close to equal or even in favor of the Starfall glyph set.

But after these 8h trials, I am quite confident that the potential of Starfall glyph to become a standard combo for Moonkins is rather low. At least I decided finally to switch back.

Another effect that I find quite disturbing especially at the razorscale and XT-002 fight. Starfall creates unwanted threat (we separate pummelers at XT-002) and you are also not able to do focus damage on one target while other mobs in close proximity. (during XT-002 heart attacks). Actually you waste your dps in such situations.

Limitations of my report and possible flaws which might have had an impact:
First of all changing back to a 9s shorter MF duration (w/o SF glyph) is quite hard and I need probably some more time to get fully used to it after such a long time of using SF glyph. So I am sure that there are some moonkins out there that can do better than me. But I for myself decided to stick for now with the traditional glyph set SF-MF-IS.