Yeah, I also think once you start more of the harder hard modes, you'll see what I mean in terms of glyphed Rejuvenation being so good. I just noticed your guild hasn't gotten hard mode Thorim or Council down. Both of those fights (and Freya/Mim are worse) have very, very high raid healing requirements. So, in addition to play style, I think it matters what kind of guild you're in too. If all your guild ever does are normal modes, or really easy hard modes like Hodir, it matters less. But I really believe from a raid healing standpoint, if you're a guild working on the harder hard modes, Rejuvenation is better than Nourish or Regrowth glyphed.

Part of the reason you see so much value in Nourish is that you have time to stop and heal. On a fight like hard mode Freya or hard mode Council, late in the fight all you're doing is raid healing. There's just no way you're gunna stop and help tank heal. You'll get behind on the raid. So, of course you see Nourish as being better. You guys haven't even killed Hodir hard mode.

Vazu's making a lot of sense. If you look at other heals we have that show up in heavy raid damage fights, you'll see things like Living Seed, Swiftmend, and HT (NS'd) clocking in around 1-5% effective healing. Those are small numbers, but they're generally triggered in situations where the extra healing (no matter how small overall) made a difference.

Glyph of Rejuvenation falls into the same category. The extra healing, when it's needed, could prevent a death. An extra 1-1.5k heal doesn't sound very impressive, but to be honest a 2.5-3.3k heal from rejuv every 3sec sounds pretty weak as well.

Also, I don't remember seeing any noteworthy delay when testing this glyph (~2 weeks ago). I suppose it could react slower in a busy raid, but that seems kind of odd. Maybe they tweaked the code since initial impressions were established?

Aaaah, so that's why my stats show the glyph bonus to overheal by some 15%... I always wondered how that's even possible.

Check the time stamps in a WWS log.

Next time we get a hard mode Council kill, I'll link a WWS log and we can compare it to my previous log where I'm glyphed for Nourish. Even with the delay, I still think it's worth it. Mages are such mana sponges. I can't even tell you how many times our Mages are below 50% health.. lol..

We just got IC Hard on 25 last night so I have some recent, personal experience with the fight. I re-glyphed for RJ for this fight precisely because the sub-50% heal was important precisely when you need it most.

Towards the end of P3 with myself and a H Priest on raid, it was simply impossible to keep everyone at or near max HP while ensuring that the Static Disruption soakers didn't die. As a result, lots of people were dipping below 50% which resulted in a disproportionate amount of Glyph ticks during that time.

Did it do a lot of absolute healing? Not at all. Did it really help just when we needed it most? Absolutely.

Glyphs are cheap enough that you can swap them in and out for each fight and I would definitely advocate doing so. That said, I'm rapidly becoming a huge fan of the RJ glyph and plan on keeping it in my suite permanently.

Here's a hard-mode kill log from Council.

Wow Web Stats

I'm not sure if Glyph of Rejuvenation is working properly. When I reviewed my log, it's only tracking the glyph healing on myself. I thought they fixed it so the healing would extend to others as well? There's just no way only myself and Revary were below 50% during this fight with a Rejuv ticking. So I decided to click on the Glyph of Rejuvenation healing itself.

http://wowwebstats.com/obe4pxu2qlpfc...29277&ab=54755

I guess it's still broken? Revary and I both have the glyph and our glyph instant heals only healed us.

Let's be fair and say every person in the raid on a hard-mode Council kill would get an average of 5 ticks. I'm pretty sure the number of ticks would be much higher on the Steelbreaker tank. I always keep Rejuv rolling on that person. Also, I'm mindful that on different fights the healing from this would be smaller. But anything where raid healing is very hectic, this could be an amazing glyph if they actually fix it.

I raid with ~ 3000 spellpower raid buffed.
My total healing was 2,284,100

Glyph of Rejuvenation ticks on myself only..

Low: 1228
High: 1249
Total number of ticks: 10

Using a median number of 1239 healing (rounded up), that's 1239 x 5 x 25 = 154,875

For that fight, 154k is more total healing than my Nourish and Regrowth combined. Hell, it's 30% of my Wild Growth healing.

edit: Someone beat me to it, please delete.

I am sorry, but if a glyph does that little on a supposedly ideal fight for it, it is worthless. (It may be Lightflower's guild is less on the ball about keeping people topped off, so it heals more for him). In my own Steelbreaker attempts Rejuv glyph did about 2%.

Considering I rarely use direct heals apart from Regrowth, it's working for me.

Oh, and here's another log from 10m hard mode Mimiron. We finally got the fight last week. Lot better glyph results in this log. Pretty sure this is for our 3-5 attempts and the actual kill itself combined. Part of the fun with this glyph is in the strategy. The idea is to keep Rejuv on people who are the most likely to be at < 50% health for a second or so. Tanks work great. Fights with tons of AE and random downs damage are good.

Wow Web Stats

OK - so the "supposed" function of the rejuv glyph is to quickly heal people that fall below 50% - whether this works out or not is a separate problem but that's why people put that glyph in.

This is not an "+ overall healing done" glyph so there is no sense discussing how much total healing increase that is.

So, what can we replace this with to perform the same function?

Glyph of HT is the only one that functionally comes close - point is that rejuv glyph will trigger on its own, without even you paying any attention to that - this is "fire and forget" thing.

GoRegrowth, GoNourish, GoWG - those are all "+ overall healing done" glyphs and if you feel like you need more oomph, you put one of those in and it's mostly up to your preference, your role in the raid, and current Blizzard's mood - which of them is the #1 pick.

GoLB, GoSM, GoInnervate - those are all practically mana glyphs, with GoLB and GoSM also saving you some GCDs. If you don't need extra mana, you don't need any of them. GoLB extends your LB cycle from ~25 seconds to ~28 seconds = ~20mp5 and an extra GCD every 2 mins or so. If you use SM every 20 secs or so, GoSM = 15mp5 and an extra GCD every 20 secs or so. Personally I use swiftmend maybe 9 times / 6 minutes so it's more like half of those numbers. GoInnervate will give you some 3k mana / 5 mins so it's flat ~50mp5.