If you read back through the thread you will find the general consensus to be that the Regrowth and Swiftmend glyphs are givens - the debate coming down to whether or not to take the Lifebloom or Innervate glyphs.

To those that have taken the LB glyph, do you find yourself actually spending additional time out of the 5SR? I know that in theory it gives you additional time, but given the experiences I have had in Naxx (both 10 and 25) I can't think of a time where having 1 extra second on LB would have allowed me any time out of the 5SR. Especially with the incoming WG nerf (which may have us chain-casting individual HoTs on people in 10 mans), it seems even less useful as a mana regen talent. Now that I am not having to innervate myself (as I have geared up) on many fights, it seems like Innervating a priest (while activating the Spirit World Glass) might make the Innervate glyph very useful. Looking for raid experiences of people with the LB glyph and how (if at all) it is effecting mana regen as I have been considering changing glyphs.

The fight that made me finally glyph Lifebloom was Sartharion with 3 drakes up. In 25man version, my primary task was to hot up Sartharion tank and the add drake tank. Between dodging Flame Tsunamis, Shadow Fissures and running loose adds hitting me closer to tanks, the additional second actually helped me to maintain stacks running while I regularily was OOR from one tank or another. (Sartharion tanked on the entrance end of the area, adds on the back end or middle, depending on situation.)

In the 10man version, we dealt the responsibilites more like 1 healer per tank (Disc Priest to Sartharion tank, me on the add drake tank, shaman for the third + portals; me + shaman raid healing). And there, with the huge damage spikes the add tank at times took, having the longer cycle also helped greatly.

Seems the HT glyph isn't getting much notice except for a few posts here and there. At the moment it's an improved nourish for me. I did not bother getting natures grace or naturalist with it either.

I didn't do my own math, but rather rely on in-game theory crafting to give me values so it may be inaccurate but it's what I have to work with.

Nourish has a 1.3s cast and heals for about 3733 (not including the extra 20%) - 630mana
HT has a 1.3s cast and heals for about 8500 - 760mana

Anyway you look at it, the glyph has given me a much more amped up version of nourish with a slightly higher mana cost, but nothing too severe.

Currently I'm using HT glyph, innervate, and regrowth. I'm not able to get swiftmend yet and was planning on switching it out for innervate. I'm just curious if I'm missing something about the HT glyph. This thread has been comparing the others but hasn't really given this one much thought.

Even just at a glance I can tell your numbers are way off. Glyphed HT does not heal for 8500 with any attainable amount of spell power. Did you only cast it once, and it crit?

Those cast times don't make sense either.

Cast time makes sense, both are 1.5s base with the HT glyph.

You're right about the numbers though, no way glyph HT heals for 8.5k, doubt it would even crit that high. Also ignoring the 20% extra bonus on nourish is stupid, why would you cast it if there's no hot boosting it? Cast regrowth instead.

Looking over some recent parses my average nourish is around 6.1k and goes up to 6.8k on a tank spam fight ala Patchwerk thanks to 4t7. My HT (no emp. talent or glyph) looks to be around 9.5k. Adding in 20% extra from spellpower and boosting it with 10% (GoN), 4% (MS) and 6% (ToL) would boost it to 10.2k. Not sure that's how emp. talent works so feel free to correct it.

Applying the glyph would make HT 5.1k. So for the cost of 1 glyph slot and 2 talent points you'll get a heal that costs more mana, heals for less but requires less thought.

Those are the glyphs I am using :

Glyph of lifebloom :

With the proper specc, (14/0/57), its a great glyph, if not our best. It increase your mana/hps efficiency but also allows you to ease your HoT rotations.

Glyph of swiftmend :

Same as the previous one, you increase your mana/hps efficiency by saving mana (not having to rehot the target). It also ease your HoT rotation but even better then that, you just feel like yuo can swiftmend anytime without breaking your "perfect" rotation.

Glyph of innervate :

Usefull on some fights for 10 men Naxx when you're doing it with 2 healers only. It's also usefull when yuo want to give innervate to someone you just rez in a boss fight. Altho it's a glyph I may drop when I get more mana regen.


My opinion on other glyphs :

[Glyph of Rebirth] : not really usefull, yuo can fully heal up someone that you just rez within 3 seconds.

[Glyph of Regrowth] : its been nerf before the expansion came and made that glyph less attractive. I honestly think people spamming regrowth like crazy are missing something about the druid class.

[Glyph of Healing Touch] : Nourish is better. Especially with 4 pieces of T7. Nourish just scale better with gear and even tho some consider HT being better then nourish, I still think its not efficient to use a glyph slot in order to override an already similar spell.

[Glyph of Rejuvenation] : Decent, but what happens if your target never goes under 50%? I dont think you benefits enough from this glyph versus others.


My healing breakdown is fairly distributed between my spells (Wow Web Stats). I have a hard time understanding players that focus on using only 1 or 2 spells. For every situation, there is a different combination of spells that can be use in order be fully efficient. You can still get the job done by using very few spells, but it just won't be as efficient.

I choose my glyphs following those thoughts.

First time writing on those forums, but not the first time reading them. Great place to learn new stuff.

Regards

Pue

My healing touch crits for 15K unglyphed. so 8.5 is pretty unreasonable

I wrote a little simulation program to calculate which is better. Glyphed Regrowth spammed on the tank or nourish assuming a hot is active. Here are my results with two resto druid toons.

This asusmes you are using the regrowth glyph and that regrowth is already active on the target and that if regrowth crits the next regrowth will cast .5 shorter, same with nourish. Also, the t7 tests assume that all 3 hots are active on the tank.


#Moonlife
#sp = 1638.0
#crit = 14.91
#haste = 0.0808

C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\source\test5>ruby regrowth.rb
HPS = 4288.46485132794
HPM = 9.17779283401347
MPS = 467.265379474968


C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\source\test5>ruby nourish.rb
HPS = 3747.11772603948
HPM = 7.7989068723819
MPS = 480.467043312065

#WITH T7
C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\source\test5>ruby nourish.rb
HPS = 4301.99797774273
HPM = 8.9602381661293
MPS = 480.120940758558

#freakboy
#sp = 1672.0
#crit = 7.16
#haste = 0.0229

C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\source\test5>ruby regrowth.rb
HPS = 3849.59435885362
HPM = 8.96297353797186
MPS = 429.499690314237

C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\source\test5>ruby nourish.rb
HPS = 3327.54104514989
HPM = 7.56654082009394
MPS = 439.770447852891

#WITH T7
C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\source\test5>ruby nourish.rb
HPS = 3823.5498192929
HPM = 8.69736329128076
MPS = 439.621721117027





Not only can you see that crit greatly improves Regrowth spam (along with haste), but in both cases regrowth healed for about 500 hps more along with costing about 10 mps less.

My next post will examine looking at certain rotations like If i cast nourish and only cast regrowth if nature's grace is active. But overall from this simulation program you can see that regrowth is definitely superior to nourish assuming NO t7 bonus. However, with a high crit rating, nourish becomes a little bit better than regrowth, but this requires all 3 hots to be already active on the tank.

If you'd like to see the source code I can post it. Just ask.

You should change the post title to "Why nourish is useless for spamming tanks", because that is all your findings prove. Nourish is far from useless, it simply has better uses elswhere.

I'd like some help here.

With the upcoming nerf to wild growth, views on healing touch spec?
At level 70 I was keeping up with a fully geared sunwell resto druid in my silly old tier 6.
The difference was: He was Wild growth/HoT spec (Wg/Genesis/Natures' Splendor/GOTEM. Not quite sure what he glyphed. Rejuvenation, regrowth and ?) and I was HT Spec, picking up Natures Grace, Naturalist and Empowered Touch. Glyphed Healing Touch, Rejuvenation and Regrowth. I kept up to him in heals considering our gear difference by a whole tier .5 (Yes, it mattered, that fight was long :|!) He ate about 7 innervates vs. my 3. Usually hes pretty mana efficient. ANYWAYS, At the end I ended up out on third, trailing behind the tree on second and my favourite shammy on first. EDIT: Adding in the fact that I was running back and forth with a warlock summoning people, and trailing by about less then 100k. Does that make my healing more efficient? Adding Nourish into the equation at 80 now should help even more. Riight?!

Somebody want to confirm the HT vs. HoT spec/glyphing for me?

EDIT: The fight was Killed in Quel'thalas (Silvermoon 80 raid boss at 70.)