How exactly would it help us to post the DPS you can reach on a target dummy?
If you would like to know a way to improve your DPS it might be worth checking if you're using the correct rotation, which you can find earlier in this thread, or use WrathCalcs to find the best rotation for you.

You could also check if you're using the correct gems and enchants for your gear.

I want to re-examine the clipping of the GCD from NG procs when casting Wrath by comparing it to Starfire.

My currents applicable Stats (fully raid buffed):
Haste Rating = 413
Crit% = 45

Assuming 100ms lag:
Lag Adjusted Base Wrath Casting Time (WB) = 1.36s
Lag Adjusted Base Starfire Casting Time (SFB) = 2.62s

The Starfire average cast time reduction from NG @ 45% Crit is:
((SFB -(Crit% * (SFB - 0.5)) + ((1 - Crit%) * SFB)) / SFB)
(2.62 - (.45 * 2.12) + (.55 * 2.62)) / 2.62)
0.225/2.62
8.588%

The Wrath average cast time reduction from NG @ 45% Crit is:
Note*** 'WB - 0.5' cannot be less than 1.1 due to the GCD + latency
((WB -(Crit% * (WB - 0.5)) + ((1 - Crit%) * WB)) / WB)
(1.36 - (.45 * 1.1) + (.55 * 1.36)) / 1.36)
0.117/1.36
8.603%

Assuming 200ms lag:
Lag Adjusted Base Wrath Casting Time = 1.46s
Lag Adjusted Base Starfire Casting Time = 2.72s
Starfire - 8.272% reduction
Wrath - 8.014% reduction

It appears from 0ms latency to just over 100ms latency, Wrath spam receives a larger bonus from a NG proc than compared to Starfire spam. This is assuming the current Haste and Crit% I listed above.

I saw your WWS and was rather unimpressed with it:

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You have a quick kill time, an absurdly high crit rate on the nuke you're boosting via eclipse, and an ele shaman which I did not have. All of this while "only" pulling 4871 dps. Now lets take a look at a WWS using eclipse the other way(as mentioned by me much earlier in this thread or the other moonkin one).


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I have almost a 51/54% raid buffed crit chance on wrath/starfire. My wrath crit % was awfully low which lead to late eclipse procs and dps loss. My starfire crit was at 66% which is a bit lower then it should be(slightly over half my starfires would have 30% extra crit). I severely messed up my rotation proccing eclipse off starfire once, and refreshing my dots at 3%(was using %'s for the first time) only to have patchwerk die right after. Both spreadsheets and actual playing have shown that proccing eclipse from wrath is more beneficial. But play how you want, I don't mind having higher parses then others.

With respect to late eclipse procs, i've had several periods where i have wrath spammed for 30s-1min without a proc, this is with an approx 40% crit chance raid buffed and 2/3 Eclipse. Is it safe to say that it's just unlucky RNG or should i stack more crit and try running with 3/3 Eclipse?

I'm looking at everyones parses and I'm like 1-1.2k dps under and my stats only put me at 100-160 spell dmg under. Am I just losing cast time due to lag movement or what, I'm really trying to step my game and be more competitive. Here is a patchwerk kill from a nite in naxx.

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I'm still learning what to look for in parses, thanks in advance.

Treants did 34k damage, which is one cast, while the fight lasted for 4 minutes (2 casts worth).

66 dots of Moonfire is ~198 seconds of time, while the fight lasted 232 seconds.

21 dots of Insect Swarm is only 42 seconds worth of uptime out of the 232 seconds.

In general your stats are much worse aswell - 300 spell damage / 2-5% crit / 2-5% haste worse than others who have posted ~5k dps wws's

We can surely agree that 4871dps is far from impressive by now, killing speed is not a huge factor in moonkin dps though (fx. Our first Naxx clear: 3.58 4.7k ). Double trees helps surely, & lower heroism uptime is not really hitting moonkins as much as others.

Funny thing about that wws is that wrath lists in there with a 10-15% crit below expected values & the end result is more or less the same (3.58 was in worse gear, but atleast not as laggy).

With that being said i'm still playing around with rotations, & we can agree that my prefered way is definatly not the only way.
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If you want to compare the two wws's you listed then you need to factor MS in aswell, I dunno how your server acts on wednesdays though.

Going by your armory you have 10.13% haste / I got 13.42%.
My kill 148 seconds : 38starfire + 48 GCD (35wrath, 6x moonfire, 5x IS, 2x various) - Total crits = 42
Your kill 155 seconds : 44starfire + 48 GCD (32 wrath, 6x moonfire, 8x IS, 2x various) - Total crits = 47 (Difference from your moonfire actually critting & 3 more on starfall - chance of overlapping procs but lets ignore that).

Going very simple & assuming that all Nature's grasp proc goes to the spell that procced it (with moonfire+starfall ones going to starfire).
Ignoring shared haste buffs (wrath of air, heroism, potion of speed) & without checking for doubleprocs of Nature's Grace this roughly gives :
Assuming 100 MS my casts indicate : 2.49*21 + 1.99*17 + 1.25*11 + 1*24 + 13*1.25 + 0.1*86 = 148 seconds.
Yours assuming 100 MS : 2.56*15 + 2.06*29 + 1.28*20 + 1*12 + 1.28*16 + 0.1*92 = 165 seconds.

Your number is about what I would expect when factoring in lag & additional haste buffs -- My number shows me what I allready knew (that its pointless to raid on wednesdays on Al'akir if you care about wws-scores).

Give me 9 more seconds of casting time & id do an additional 2x starfire hits+2x starfire crits averageing out 34928 damage - which spread over 148 seconds is 236dps.

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Above is surely inaccurate, I tried favouring you slightly in casttime roundings to make sure my result wasn't to biased too much by my initial feeling. At the end of the day the two wws's listed against eachother hardly proves anything more than both rotations being fully capeable of breaking 5k dps.

I have a few more general questions.

1) Is there a best in game idol or it depends on your eclipse rotation?
2) What are you allowed to cast during eclipse and Bloodlust /Heroism? Assuming you have IIS

The starfire idol from heroic raz is definitely best in game unless you have some absurd wrath spamming rotation. It's been posted before that you refresh dots if the eclipse has just started and not to bother if they fall off mid eclipse, more details are somewhere in this or another thread in these forums. During Heroism I stick to my normal rotation of wrathing until eclipse proc then starfire spamming, while keeping up DoTs. Also time your treants to coincide with heroism, they do a bit more damage .

Is anyone else having Rawr tell them that the Heroes Dreamwalker Cover is significantly better than the Valorous Dreamwalker Cover? This appears to be utterly incorrect since Valorous is the same item with more stats. It has me concerned about the other results, though everything else appears to be along the lines of what I would expect.

Yes, Rawr is telling me the same thing; however, if you compare the items you'll quickly realize that the Valorous Dreamwalker Cover has the same exact stats -- just more of them. It's obviously an upgrade and the error is with Rawr.