Yes, mana is a huge issue on Vezax Hardmode and to a certain point, gear dependent. 8k mana when the Saronite Animus spawns is a bit low. From my experience, around 10k-11k should be sufficient to be able to DPS the Animus down and finish off the boss afterwards. If you go low, simply stop DPSing entirely (including using dots) until the add is up. Raid DPS should be sufficiently high to achieve this, with relatively "good" shadow crashes for the casters.

As far as Eclipse is concerned, I've tried hard to get viable rotations up, but in most if not all situations, it proved counter productive both mana and DPS wise, since you can and will be losing most of the buff, depending on the RNG with mark/crashes. Starfire spam (with IS up, especially when you have to move), though a bit mindless, seems to work rather well and should conserve as much mana as possible. Haste wise, I simply don't feel that nerfing my haste to the ground for a 2-3% more crit is really going to have any serious impact.

hi, im kinda new around here and i wanted to ask on what rotation is good for a moonkin to improve my current dps.
currently i have 14.23% Hit Rating which makes me capped if i use iFF for the additional 3% and currently my crit rating is at 24% moonkin form and my sp is at 2248 while in moonkin form, all of the stats are self-buffed using only mark of the wild.

my current rotation is this, iff->MF->IS->Wrath (Till eclipse proc)->SF (Till eclipse fades)->repeat

im currently pulling a dps range of 2.7k~3.2k (tested on a dummy)

ill look for further references along the thread to see what im looking for, but any opinion regarding my post would greatly help, thanks


and btw, here's my armory for further observation:

The World of Warcraft Armory

you're not using some good talents like Celestial Focus and Improved Insect Swarm. You can take talent points from some mana regen talents like Dreamstate and Intensity.
After that, I see you don't have any Tier bonus!
Just see at some wowarmory from other moonkins, you'll have an idea of what you've to do! And be sure to correctly refresh your dots! For better SF put MF, for better Wrath put IS! If you're not into an eclipse proc, just refresh both when them fade.

thanks for the reply

actually, i have the [Valorous Dreamwalker Vestments] but i used [Raiments of the Corrupted] for better hit rating, should i rather stick with the item set for an additional tier bonus or ?

ill try to respec so i can allocate the points from Dreamstate into IIS, and then remove gale winds and -1 to intensity so i can allocate them for Celestial Focus.

but wait, isnt the hit capped already doubled into 17%? cause basically me and my guild are currently doing ulduar 10 progression and currently at mimi.

You just need 263 if you put iFF on target or a shadow priest is in raid, cause it's +3% hit.

edit: corrected.

No. If you are specced into iFF and there is a feral putting up FF(F), you will get 3% crit, but not 3% hit. You would have to have a spriest putting up misery or another Balance Druid putting up FF for that.

This is certainly true, but I'm surprised you could have mana issues, especially with 3/3 Intensity, even with sloppy players around you. Most Ulduar fights can't go that much longer than expected or else you wipe anyway. I only swapped to 3/3 Moonglow recently for Vezax (which I'll probably keep generally since IMF is so weak), and I've rarely been short on mana. On a long Yogg I can run out if I Moonfire everything too liberally, but even then only if I don't Innervate myself. I don't really see, for example, how you would ever run out on Hodir.

Also, you're not at hit cap in the Armory.

It is true, I'm not hit capped. I will sometimes eat hit food for boss fights, but it's all depending on mechanic. I'm less than 1% under the hit cap, so 46 sp is often worth more to me on straight DPS fights like Ignis, Razorscale, or XT. On fights where missing might cause significant issue, I will use hit food instead. I run 2700 sp buffed w/totems, so 46 sp is 1.7% of that, and 1.7% sp is often more DPS than .76% hit, or at least, if my mental math is right.

As for mana, it can be dependent. I don't get to use innervate on myself, it is saved for the healers. Raid buffed, I have about 153 MP5, and 22k mana. Due to the aforementioned healing issues, I sometimes find it necessary to hot myself up in the middle of a fight, but even without that, I find I'm not getting enough back from crits to make up for what I'm spending, and we don't have any shadow priests in the raid at the moment, and whatever replenishment effect we had was returning me almost no mana, and some fights didn't see any replenishment.

I'll be honest, I run with a guild composed of friends. We have a lot of room for improvement, but sometimes it's hard to see us committing to that. Our method of downing bosses seems to be ramming ourselves against them over and over til we eke out a win, and continuing to do this until we outgear the content. We never really improve our strat or execution in a permanent fashion. Just down a boss and move on, or don't down a boss and whine about the "baddies". It is the primary reason we are stuck on the keepers, and are unlikely to pass them until Blizzard has nerfed them into oblivion.

Yeah, dropping form to HoT yourself kills your mana (also is rarely actually useful), and lack of Replenishment really hurts as well.

You should gem up to hit cap instead of messing with food.

Did you actually compute that or are you just eyeballing it? It does look a little fishy, but the increased cost of stacking a stat can be deceptive. Maybe 72 to 82 Stamina, though horribly inefficient, really does cost that much.