T8 shoulders are awful, but the gloves are worse. My thoughts are T9 chest/hat, T8 pants/shoulders. Pending more offset gear being released obviously.

Might edge up to being close to 2T8 with big stat improvements. Compared straight, it's going to be about 150-200 DPS worse (almost 100 DPS closer than the prior version).

Has anyone checked with the new build if the talent changes like the new eclipse are working now, and if they are have they been able to confirm if balance of power is actually 6% hit now or if its just an oversight?

Can we let Balance of Power die? Just because I don't like saying things that I can't back up, I logged into the PTR just now and got 11% hit from gear and Balance of Power 2/2. If BoP were buffed that would be 11% + 6% = 17% and I wouldn't be able to miss. I missed, so it's still 4%. There's no reason for them to buff it to 6%. Not only would it make gearing awkward, it would not be in line with any other caster's hit talent. It's just a miswording because they changed the second part of the tooltip text without realizing how that affected the way the first part was worded.

Old text: Increases your chance to hit with all spells and reduces the chance you'll be hit by spells by 4%.

New text: Increases your chance to hit with all spells and reduces the damage taken by all spells by 6%.

Some absent minded developer thought "we are just changing the second part, so that's all I'll change on the tooltip", not realizing that the number at the end of the first tooltip applied to hit as well.

4% extra damage on starfire and wrath is a very decent set bonus, and is comparable to 4T7. If 2T8 is still so good that it's worth wearing over 4T9 (and remember, those come in ilevel 258) just use it and be happy.

Assuming you're gearing for both the two eclipses are pretty close under "lab conditions", so I don't think this will be much of an issue in a standing fight. Fight conditions will certainly change this, but we asses those on a fight-by-fight basis anyway.

Yea, that makes sense, I would just assume with spell queueing/latency issues it'd seem logical to switch to Wrath to proc the Lunar. Of course that's an individual basis as well.

If you're gearing around 400 haste (which you should) spell queuing shouldn't be a problem unless you're under Bloodlust or another major haste effect (shadow crash, etc). At the point spell queuing breaks down for wrath it will be neccesary to reevaluate our rotation.

Latency does favor Lunar, but Solar procs faster, reducing your out-of-eclipse time. For the alternate cycle in 3.2 these generally balance themselves out, though this may change for high (>400) latency.

Remember that this is all still based on early theorycrafting. The new eclipse isn't even implemented yet on the PTR. We'll get more concrete testing and math done later in the PTR cycle, so debating this subject now is somewhat redundant.

2T9/new eclipse;
So I would start with a moonfire, starfires, solar eclipse;spam wraths, lunar eclipse;spam starfires, after eclipse refresh dots and start making that moonfire 3 ticks longer, note that the time window to your next solar eclipse will be small or not existant compared to then when we only had 1 eclipse.

With Rng/movement eclipse cooldowns will be back at different times every rotation. The way that extreme rng or a lot of movement on an encounter influences the rotation is something i'll experience with later.

But in this order I like it most because it will require a lot less wrath spam, and the only wraths you will be casting will be empowered by solar eclipse(if you didn't have to move or had bad rng). Also I think this results in possibly longer eclilpses uptime because when you do the opposite there is a high chance to crit with your first lunar eclipsed starfire, hence immidiatly proceding into solar eclipse, so you would end up spamming wraths allmost the whole rotation. Which would also influence moonfire uptime.

edit: with this rotation IS glyph looses a lot of value to me as I won't be using it much, but maybe its still worth it when dotting while moving. Wrath glyph is maybe not that good as you won't be casting much wraths at all. Then there is only starfall left. I guess the third glyph will be mostly influenced by the mechanics of the encounter.

For the record, I've been skeptical of this conclusion since day one. Is there actually evidence of a discontinuity in the effective cast time of Wrath when it switches from being cast-limited to being GCD-limited? Even though you can't "queue" it while it's under the GCD, you can still press the next cast as soon as the client-side GCD ends, producing largely the same effect if your timing is good.

Lunar procs very slightly faster. 3s Starfire vs. 1.5sWrath/60% = 2.5s --> it procs 6/5 faster. It's never been a significant term in the DPS comparison between the two cycles. Though based on the number of people that constantly mention it, it seems to be quite a source of psychological bias; some people really like the "guaranteed" proc of Solar.

What does that third paragraph mean? I don't know of anything unclear or mysterious about the workings of the new Eclipse that we have to test out on the PTR (besides the basic, "is it working correctly?").

@Druidark: can't make much sense of your post, but I think you're imagining that the two Eclipses can be active simultaneously, which the tooltip says they can't.

Activating lunar eclipse does not end solar eclipse or vice versa? If I understand you right you need to let one eclipse fully run out to proc the next? hmmm

No shared cd, and the buffs itself are exclusive. If Solar is up, you can't get Lunar and vice versa