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Old 07/20/09, 10:07 PM   #1786
 Adoriele
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Originally Posted by Altiris View Post
If you look at either the talent or the buff when you have 2T8 equipped, one (not both, but I forget which) updates to a value of 45%. I think it's the talent.
It is.

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Old 07/21/09, 7:46 PM   #1787
Oxcrush
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What is the favorable rotation right now, Lunar or Solar?

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Old 07/21/09, 7:55 PM   #1788
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Originally Posted by Oxcrush View Post
What is the favorable rotation right now, Lunar or Solar?
Lunar. You've got about a month where that's going to be relevant.

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Old 07/22/09, 3:41 PM   #1789
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I did a search for this and didn't quite find what I was looking for, so I apologize if I just suck at searching.

In regard to spirit on our gear, is this not sub-optimal/wasted item budget? Obviously, spirit is .3 SP per point and other stats like haste or crit are in the .8 to .9 neighborhood. Obviously, it could also be the case that spirit is cheaper within the item budget and thus is perhaps not so bad.

I say this because I have been avoiding spirit-heavy gear, which had lead to be basically being unable to get the 4 piece bonus and instead wearing a lot of cloth (which is also very high in hit rating, making it further difficult to wear T8, hit-heavy as it is). Is this a mistake in gearing philosophy? Should I instead be going for leather? I should note that my guild is halfway through uld25 hardmodes, so ilvl 239 sp leather is starting to be very tempting.

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Old 07/22/09, 3:47 PM   #1790
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Originally Posted by Europe View Post
I did a search for this and didn't quite find what I was looking for, so I apologize if I just suck at searching.

In regard to spirit on our gear, is this not sub-optimal/wasted item budget? Obviously, spirit is .3 SP per point and other stats like haste or crit are in the .8 to .9 neighborhood. Obviously, it could also be the case that spirit is cheaper within the item budget and thus is perhaps not so bad.

I say this because I have been avoiding spirit-heavy gear, which had lead to be basically being unable to get the 4 piece bonus and instead wearing a lot of cloth (which is also very high in hit rating, making it further difficult to wear T8, hit-heavy as it is). Is this a mistake in gearing philosophy? Should I instead be going for leather? I should note that my guild is halfway through uld25 hardmodes, so ilvl 239 sp leather is starting to be very tempting.
1 Spirit costs the same as 1 hit/crit/haste rating. As a general matter, Spirit-bearing items are therefore suboptimal. But many are worth wearing due to sockets or 239 ilvl. You seem to have a sufficient understanding of the situation that you should just be doing actual numerical comparisons instead of looking for rules of thumb.


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Old 07/23/09, 12:40 AM   #1791
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Originally Posted by Poromu View Post
Twisting might be viable for the very first Eclipse proc, but I honestly don't think it'll matter that much.
Personally, I'd still favor procing Lunar Eclipse first to get the stacks as high as possible immediately with spamming Wrath. There are tons of Moonkins that are using and will be using Illustration or Eye of the Broodmother.

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Old 07/23/09, 3:33 AM   #1792
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Originally Posted by Boswell View Post
Personally, I'd still favor procing Lunar Eclipse first to get the stacks as high as possible immediately with spamming Wrath. There are tons of Moonkins that are using and will be using Illustration or Eye of the Broodmother.
That seems a viable enough thing, but can't you pre-stack it before combat - I unfortunately haven't gotten lucky enough to get either - but i'm pretty sure it stacks off any healing spell and maybe thorns.

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Old 07/23/09, 7:56 AM   #1793
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Illustration doesn't proc from thorns. You can just rejuv yourself 10 times and keep the stack up till you start combat easily.

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Old 07/23/09, 11:05 AM   #1794
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Originally Posted by Selini View Post
Illustration doesn't proc from thorns. You can just rejuv yourself 10 times and keep the stack up till you start combat easily.
I don't think very many people actually do this, unless they want to start combat down 6000 mana or waste a lot of time and food drinking for marginal benefit.

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Old 07/23/09, 11:12 AM   #1795
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Originally Posted by Altiris View Post
I don't think very many people actually do this, unless they want to start combat down 6000 mana or waste a lot of time and food drinking for marginal benefit.
You don't actually waste time since you're just waiting to pull, and food is in infinite supply, but yeah, it's just a pain. I'll sometimes do it if I'm really bored, but often I'm typing in raid chat about the prior attempt or something, or am paying attention to something else for more than 9 seconds.


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Old 07/23/09, 2:37 PM   #1796
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I personally don't do that, it's too much effort, I find my stacks getting up quick enough anyway from wrath spamming so I usually have 10 up by the time eclipse has procced. I try to keep the 10 stacks running mid combat say in Mimiron phases so I don't have to rebuild the stacks up and I'm regenning enough anyway.

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Old 07/23/09, 3:32 PM   #1797
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Either way really, it's a small enough gain/loss that it could easily get overshadowed by rng. I honestly think i'll shoot for the Lunar first as well just to make use of the haste proc on my trinket since it'll likely proc around the same time as Lunar does.

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Old 07/24/09, 12:08 AM   #1798
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With glyph of starfire, if starfire starts being cast right after at lets say a 2.1 casting speed and a roughly 1 seconds gcd, on the second starfire, would the 2nd 3 seconds bonus raise moonfires uptime to over 15 seconds or will it hit 15 seconds?

In other words, can glyph of starfire make moonfire's remaining time go over 15 seconds?

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Old 07/24/09, 12:19 AM   #1799
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You can get over 15s if you SFx3 right after MF. But only a small ammount until high levels of Haste.

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Old 07/24/09, 6:29 AM   #1800
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Originally Posted by Oxcrush View Post
Question, does the 2 piece t8 for wrath make the eclipse bonus 45% or 49.5%? (100% damage+30% bonus*1.15)
I know this issue is some days old, but the bonus of eclipse wrath is somewhat smaller as the multiplier is additive to the 10 % given by moonfury.

So without 2T8 its (1.1+0.3) / 1.1 which is actually only a 27.2% increase above your normal (moonfury powered) wrathes.
With 2t8 it gets up to (1.1+0.45)/1.1 which is a 40.9% increase over your normal wrathes.

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