The specifics of the set I linked are SP:1.35, Crit:1.08, Haste:.83, Int:.57, Spi:.47, though it will update those depending on the equipped gear. As for set bonuses, simply adding 2T8 on top of that gear set would increase DPS by 401, 4T9 is providing 10, and 2T9 is providing 192.

One's a useless MP5 proc on heals, the other's a lightning capacitor which makes it hard to implement in Rawr correctly without adding code. Instead, I just gave it Lightning Capacitor's proc, which bumped it to the top of the list. It shouldn't change much else, and won't itself change much with proper implementation.

Those are very similar to my numbers (assuming the 4T9 is a typo). I have higher values for the stats though (the proportions are similar, my model is probably giving a higher base DPS so the marginal values look higher). So it's weird that you see 4T9 as being worthwhile. Can you tell me which 5 items it's recommending you put in the armor slots (and ideally, which 2T8/2T9 setup it says is highest DPS?).

Oops, yeah, it's 210, not 10. It's suggesting [Leggings of the Awakening]-258 offset, I'll see what it gives for the best 2/2 once I get a chance to run it, it's actually fairly hard to enforce things like that.

For the record, the latest Rawr has not yet integrated the last release of WrathCalcs. I pretty much modeled the math off the first extant spreadsheet with 3.2 modeling, which is probably a bit out of date and/or inaccurate. I will be updating it this week and the next release should hopefully be up to speed.

Ah, I didn't even realize you were periodically updating from WC. The one currently posted on the Beginner Guide thread should be a good one to work from; I don't have any major changes in mind. I did add an option to estimate how often you successfully chain Lunar into Solar with the macro/addon, which I haven't uploaded yet, but I think that's all.

That's not exactly a fair statement to make. There's no connection between the opacity of Rawr's calculations and its inability to allow you to enforce certain gear setups. Rawr is built to do two things: tell you the expected output of a given outfit (for lack of a better, unambiguous term) of gear and, based on those numbers, find the optimal outfit from a given set of available gear. It's built for certain constraints, usually applied to tanking classes, such as keeping resistance, actual health, survivability, etc. above/below a certain value, but it's not designed for such micromanaging as specifying that you should use 2T8 and 2T9 for the simple fact that it breaks optimality. There's a reason to have X resistance, or be uncrittable, or having over Y Health. There's no reason to specifically choose 2T8/2T9 over 4T9 if it's not optimal.

That out of the way, sometimes the optimizer fails*, and this appears to be one of those cases. I marked the gloves and shoulders of T9 as unavailable to force 2T8/2T9 (note that, when I said it was difficult before, I actually meant it was tedious. There are 30 2/2 combinations, and each one has to be forced manually), and the optimizer output a set with 3 DPS higher than the 4T9 setup. I'm reasonably sure that I can coax even more out of it by doing some more work defining sets to optimize, but at this point I'm willing to say that they're neck-and-neck.

*The optimizer is simply an interative process, not an enumerative process. It doesn't try to find the value of every conceivable combination of gear possible from your available set. Instead, it starts at a base point, and upgrades piece for piece until no possible gear swap it tries produces a larger output. Thoroughness controls how many swaps per slot it will try before it gives up, but there's always the possibility that it won't catch something.

That makes sense. I made a mistake above; the change in value should be 10% exactly for Starfire (Moonfury) and up to 55% for Wrath (Moonfury + Eclipse), which is quite large.

Now we just need to confirm which it is on live. Which I guess still has to wait a few weeks.

I also still have Eclipse as multiplicative with Moonfury. It will take a bit of work to make that additive, but that fix should make the numbers even closer together. I'm not sure how that'll affect the set bonus, but I'm guessing it'll increase the drop in value.

Are a lot of people opting out of the four piece t8.5 and just using two t8.5?

Does anyone have any opinion about how to best do Vezax post-3.2 with the Idol of Lunar Fury? It used to be I would throw up IFF on the pull and do nothing but spam starfire in crashes (and nothing at all outside of them), but would throwing Moonfire in there add enough crit from the Idol to be worth the loss in DPM?

Last time I fought him in 3.1, without vapor I'd tank about 45 seconds before Vezax died, for reference. My gear has improved some since then generally, and of course his smaller health pool, but (for reasons that are boring) I haven't had a chance to actually TRY him post-3.2 yet. Or Yogg for that matter, but that's another tale.


(edit) An unrelated question. Does the single-target component of Starfall damage get cut by the AoE debuff on the Faction Champions encounter?