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Old 09/05/09, 12:50 AM   #1996
Poromu
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Originally Posted by Fierystix View Post
4. It increases your chance to proc solar eclipse by 1% per 1% of crit.
Using the addon/macro correctly - you'll always proc Solar with your last SF cast under Lunar, assuming you're at the crit cap for Lunar.

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Old 09/05/09, 1:27 AM   #1997
Talsh
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Originally Posted by Fierystix View Post
But if you have above 3000 SP raid buffed and you've capped haste, you don't really want to discount crit so easily.
I might have missed this - is this "3000" number something significant, or did you just make it up?

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Old 09/05/09, 1:31 AM   #1998
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Originally Posted by Talsh View Post
I might have missed this - is this "3000" number something significant, or did you just make it up?
No special significance. And crit's basically never going to be worth as much as spellpower or pre-cap haste.

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Old 09/05/09, 5:09 AM   #1999
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While we're on this topic, let's work out the exact crit cap (as a function of Int).

Base crit at 0 int/rating (0.0185) + Moonkin Aura + Imp. Scorch + Totem of Wrath + Improved FF + Nature's Majesty + Improved IS + Eclipse + 2T8 gives 69.85%.

The exact analytical value for crit rating per % is 5371/117.
The value from int, pre-buffs, is 0.006%. With Kings and Furor, it becomes 0.00726%.

So the crit needed for 100% is:
5371/117*(30.15 - 0.00726*(Int+112*1.02)). (adding MotW/AI/iMotW)

Going from exact values to a handy rule of thumb:
1384.07 - 0.3333*Int - 38.07

1346 - Int/3 (where Int is your Armory value).

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Old 09/05/09, 12:13 PM   #2000
Zifrelm
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Originally Posted by Poromu View Post
Using the addon/macro correctly - you'll always proc Solar with your last SF cast under Lunar, assuming you're at the crit cap for Lunar.
I've followed this thread for a while and have seen reference to a /cancelaura macro used on your current eclipse. I can't recall seeing details on exactly when you use it though (and it's not in the Beginner's Guide).

Could someone recap what you do, real quick? And what's this addon Poromu mentions, regarding this?

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Old 09/05/09, 1:07 PM   #2001
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
No special significance. And crit's basically never going to be worth as much as spellpower or pre-cap haste.
Eh, the higher your Spellpower, the higher the value of crit and haste, so at some very high value of SP, +1 crit will be better then +1 SP; what exactly that number is, I'll leave up to people better at math then me.\

As for the crit softcap (100% under 2t8 lunar), as many have said before, it only effects Lunar so it should have less of a DPS inpact on it's stat value then the haste-cap.

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Old 09/05/09, 3:48 PM   #2002
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Has anyone had the chance to test their DPS with 2T9 +Reign of the Unliving - Item - World of Warcraft. Do MF dot crits charge this trinket?

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Old 09/05/09, 4:05 PM   #2003
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I would assume that moonfire dot crits will not stack the trinket since they don't give nature's grace or mana back from moonkin form.

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Old 09/05/09, 6:39 PM   #2004
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Originally Posted by Zifrelm View Post
I've followed this thread for a while and have seen reference to a /cancelaura macro used on your current eclipse. I can't recall seeing details on exactly when you use it though (and it's not in the Beginner's Guide).

Could someone recap what you do, real quick? And what's this addon Poromu mentions, regarding this?
Look at this thread:
Moonkin TTT Article pre-publish draft

I know the threads have gotten a bit redundant lately; I should probably figure out what to do with the Beginner Guide and TTT posts for more sensible organization.


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Old 09/05/09, 7:15 PM   #2005
Teleria
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Hey Im wondering if there are any spreadsheets available for balance druids for the current patch with the eclipse chance and ToC gear etc

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Old 09/07/09, 3:19 AM   #2006
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I find Illustration dropping off far too much to my liking in ToC that I am switching back to Abyssal Rune for the moment, at least until I get more experienced not to let it fall off.

Anyone else getting that problem?

Also, I realize that at 403 haste, due to my high latency of 300-400, it's better for me to time my wrath re-cast by watching my gcd meter. However, without NG or any other haste buff, Wrath seems to cast slowly than the cycle of my gcd.

Initially, I assumed that since Wrath has a base cast time of 1.5 secs, same with the gcd, then timing the two should have favorable results. Can anyone with good latency confirm if un-buffed wrath casts in the same time-frame as a gcd?

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Old 09/07/09, 4:39 AM   #2007
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Originally Posted by Fieryeel View Post
I find Illustration dropping off far too much to my liking in ToC that I am switching back to Abyssal Rune for the moment, at least until I get more experienced not to let it fall off.

Anyone else getting that problem?

Also, I realize that at 403 haste, due to my high latency of 300-400, it's better for me to time my wrath re-cast by watching my gcd meter. However, without NG or any other haste buff, Wrath seems to cast slowly than the cycle of my gcd.

Initially, I assumed that since Wrath has a base cast time of 1.5 secs, same with the gcd, then timing the two should have favorable results. Can anyone with good latency confirm if un-buffed wrath casts in the same time-frame as a gcd?
At which fights are you losing your Illustration buff? I can see it might be kind of annoying for the latter two phases of Beasts, but that should be it.

Wrath cast time is the same as the GCD. If you have your cast bar and GCD bar equal length on your screen, you'll see them progress at the same rate. The GCD spark will be ahead because it starts in your client as soon as you press the button. The GCD bar will complete when the Wrath cast bar hits the "red zone" in Quartz.


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Old 09/08/09, 3:33 AM   #2008
Ratedforever
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Alright i have a question here. I am just above 400 haste and 263 hit atm with this [Elemental Focus Stone] Does the proc help me at all? If i procs during a solar eclipse wouldn't it just be a waste? Lunar i could see it being really good. 1.8 starfires. Would i be better off with Dying Curse and getting hit cap with gear changes?

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Old 09/08/09, 10:11 AM   #2009
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Originally Posted by Arawethion View Post
DoT's do have higher DPET than Eclipsed nukes. They always have. The question is whether, if Eclipse is near ending, it's worth holding off on the DoT so you give up an uneclipsed GCD casting it instead.
In regards to refreshing dots; and [spend time during Eclipse] or [spend time potentially used to proc another Eclipse]:
I have a suggestion may help alleviate this decision under specific circumstances. It does not explicitly answer this question, rather details a situation whereby both are minimised. It is important to note that this situation may not occur often, and is only relevant if you choose not to refresh DoTs towards the end of Eclipse.

Basically the aim is to maximise usage of "uncertainty" in proccing eclipse.

For Lunar, this is the flight period of a critical Wrath. [We know it'll be a crit, we just don't know if the crit will proc Eclipse]
For Solar, this is the moment in which we queue our next spell. [We don't know whether the starfire will crit until it hits the target a split second later - in which our next spell should already be queued]

When attempting to proc Lunar Eclipse:
-Do not starfall, as that obscures when you can see when a Wrath will crit (and therefore a chance for Lunar Eclipse to occur)

When you see that Wrath will crit: (You may want to fire two wraths before you go to the next step, depending on your distance from the boss; and you've likely to have queued up another anyway)
- Refresh dots that have fallen off. (You'll probably have space for two dots; although this will depend on your distance from the boss and how many wraths you chained)
If Lunar Eclipse is triggered, begin Starfires.

Rationale: This is very similar to an Eclipsing strategy whereby you charge a Starfire cast after you notice a couple of wrath crits (in order to maximise Eclipsed SF uptime); It's just replacing the pre-starfire with any dots that might not yet be up.
In a philosophical sense, if you're replacing your pre-starfire casting for this strat, you are just trading Eclipse time at the beginning for dots; in which case you would be in a similar situation as if you had refreshed your dots whilst Eclipse was about to end. [Difficult to make sense of? Read a few times :P]


When attempting to proc Solar Eclipse:
If the direct Lunar->Solar Eclipse did not work on occasion; you could try:
- Refreshing the DoT(s) after 1 Starfire (ie, queue your dot)
Note that if SF crits, you will gain Nature's Grace, likely lowering the GCD to 1s. This will probably affect both your dots AND your first wrath cast.

Rationale: By the time you know if the SF crits (therefore triggering Solar Eclipse) you will already be casting your next spell. Execution time for instants is less than cast time for SF, therefore 'wasting less' of the Eclipse (unless you casted two dots, in which case it would be more debatable).
If you had dotted before the SF was cast, that's extra time used with 0% chance of proccing eclipse (although you trade-off for guaranteed DoT damage)

I'm uncertain whether it's worth doing [SF -> Dot -> SF -> Dot] or [SF -> Dot -> Dot] if the SF did not proc eclipse. I'm leaning towards the latter whether the SF crits or not (unless of course, your dots happen to expire in a manner which would suit the first sequence)


But what if my Wraths don't crit?
Eclipse-wise, you're in exactly the same boat as if you had applied dots earlier. However, you're now missing out damage from dots.

Last edited by Einz : 09/08/09 at 10:17 AM.

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Old 09/08/09, 11:28 AM   #2010
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I think the above is correct. In fact, it's a good description of what I've found myself doing out of habit after playing the spec for a few months. I've alluded to it somewhat in the TTT post, but should probably make it more explicit.


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