Moonkin Raiding - Page 142

Tronn · 10/05/09, 12:19 PM

I wondered too why Spirit equals Crit or Haste so close. If you look at the sheet, you will see that Runetotem's Gloves of Triumph almost equal Handwraps of the Lifeless Touch (WoW head links lead to heroic versions?!). The difference is 8.66 DPS - almost nothing. And I don't understand why you would ignore Int, because it contributes 0.54 DPS per point to the stats, almost the same as Spirit (in my case).

Your setup of items results in 2408 DPS while my "best of" results in 2585 DPS, still. And I got different values when exchanging your items: -4 Int, -112 Spirit, +143 Crit, +67 Haste, -88 Hit, -62 SP. Translating Spirit in SP will add another (112*1.1*0.3=~37) SP. I'd favor 88 Hit und 100 SP above 140 crit and 67 Haste, wouldn't you?

And, yes, I left out heroic loot. I don't have it yet and can't forsee what I'm gonna get in the next weeks. T9.258 is out of reach for most of us, too, I think. Thinking about what I might get someday seems to be worthless.

Royalite · 10/05/09, 2:34 PM

I was hoping to get some advice regarding ToGC10.

I have been berated by the RL for not having a Glyph of Rebirth. We had the unfortunate luck of me brezing someone and then myself getting chain lightening by Jax which leads to the instant death of the player. This happened a couple of times as we were struggling on this fight. Out of frustration, the RL called my rebirth worthless and he didn't understand why I didn't have the glyph of rebirth. I replied, "I am a moonkin not a doctor" and further explained that it would be a sustainable dps loss to use that glyph.

So I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions. I read about how unglyphing insect swarm can be beneficial in some fights. I am wondering if ToGC was appropriate to do so?

Otherwise I am wondering what I could do to help prevent deaths. Would standing in the back of the arena against the wall help? I try to time my rebirths b/c players tends to just click immediately without watching what aoes are incoming. Or should I just ignore the RL, tell the healers to cover it and the player to take a pot immediately?

• Hamlet · 10/05/09, 2:46 PM

Immediate deaths after a Rebirth shouldn't be a problem. It happens occasionally, definitely not enough to warrant the Glyph. It's a good time to use a healthstone, and healers should be aware of when a person's popping up to heal them quickly.

Mostly though, it's the responsibility of the target to rez at a safe time. Basically, right after whatever boss ability tends to kill random raid members. At Jaraxxus, it's Fel Lightning. So pop right after that if you want to be totally safe. (Does Jaraxxus use his spells on a shared cooldown like Freya? Could probably pop after any of his abilities). It's just another reason people should know fight mechanics.

jtalaimo · 10/05/09, 4:25 PM

All I've read and do is use treants with heroism, and I do but I have one question. I want to know specifically, if we should use them after it is popped to get the effect or if they get it either way. Other classes ie dk gargoyle they have to pop it after hero is popped. Does it matter for our trees? Just wondering, thanks for the time.

nesf · 10/05/09, 5:52 PM

Originally Posted by jtalaimo

All I've read and do is use treants with heroism, and I do but I have one question. I want to know specifically, if we should use them after it is popped to get the effect or if they get it either way. Other classes ie dk gargoyle they have to pop it after hero is popped. Does it matter for our trees? Just wondering, thanks for the time.

You need to summon them prior to the Bloodlust/Heroism for them to benefit from the buff. I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly but are you saying you don't use treants except for bloodlust/heroism?

nesf · 10/05/09, 5:54 PM

Originally Posted by Royalite

Otherwise I am wondering what I could do to help prevent deaths. Would standing in the back of the arena against the wall help? I try to time my rebirths b/c players tends to just click immediately without watching what aoes are incoming. Or should I just ignore the RL, tell the healers to cover it and the player to take a pot immediately?

You shouldn't time your rebirths, it's the responsibility of the player not to click immediately and to think before the act. At best you should tell the player on TS/Ventrilo not to accept the rez until after X ability when dealing with a serial idiot.

Faesong · 10/05/09, 6:10 PM

Some of the crafted cloth items , like the bejewled wrists are attractive for its attributes . Do y'all think they are worth the mats if i was to make them for ilvl245 gear?

Yeh , other then not brezing people when the eternals are jumping around , and telling the person to not accept the rez until they are somewhat clear is all you can do , that way the healers know to top him off . Not sure if thier perspective is where you are standing until they accept though , but if they are actually watching the fight they should be able to pick up where you are and whats around you .

jtalaimo · 10/05/09, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by nesf

You need to summon them prior to the Bloodlust/Heroism for them to benefit from the buff. I'm not sure if I'm reading you correctly but are you saying you don't use treants except for bloodlust/heroism?

In fights where I only have time for one treants yeah. Just asking if I should be using it prior to hero or righ when hero is popped. Some pets dps at their masters stats, so if prior hero I wouldn't have the haste and post hero I would. And when I say post hero I don't mean after heroism is over but after it is incitially is used, hopefully that clarifies.

Tested it and treants benefited in both ways so it doesn't matter.

Poromu · 10/05/09, 6:39 PM

I'm more interested on has anyone tested to see if Genesis affects Hurricane and if so by how much? I was thinking about on Anub speccing for Genesis over IIS and Typhoon and picking up the Starfall glyph since there's consistently more than a few mobs everytime it's up.

klüger · 10/06/09, 4:22 AM

Originally Posted by Faesong

Some of the crafted cloth items , like the bejewled wrists are attractive for its attributes . Do y'all think they are worth the mats if i was to make them for ilvl245 gear?

Yeh , other then not brezing people when the eternals are jumping around , and telling the person to not accept the rez until they are somewhat clear is all you can do , that way the healers know to top him off . Not sure if thier perspective is where you are standing until they accept though , but if they are actually watching the fight they should be able to pick up where you are and whats around you .

a) There are a lot of posts here better answered in the simple q/a's or moonkin for beginners. For me this thread is about high level endgame raiding. Whereas the other threads are better for questions by people new(ish) to the class.

b) In my opinion it is definitely worth it to craft those bracers. I can't off the top of my head think of any item that is close to it in performance.

c) Brezzes is the responsibility of the one getting rezzed and healers. People with half a brain either waits until its safe to rezz, or call on ventrilo on encounters with a lot of constant ae (like twins) so healers can act. The raidleader in question seems to be in the need of some schooling (not that its the most outrageous request, but still).

edit: Oh and royalite, you would do well to check out the Moonkin think tank thread. Your hit rating is atrocious, and your specc needs work.

Tronn · 10/06/09, 4:26 AM

Originally Posted by Faesong

Some of the crafted cloth items , like the bejewled wrists are attractive for its attributes . Do y'all think they are worth the mats if i was to make them for ilvl245 gear?

As stated a few posts above, I suppose that [Merlin's Robe] is, in 245er content and for moonkins, BiS. The bracers are indeed very powerful, too, and I can't remember any other 245.bracers which could compete with these.

klüger · 10/06/09, 6:18 AM

Originally Posted by Tronn

As stated a few posts above, I suppose that [Merlin's Robe] is, in 245er content and for moonkins, BiS.

You trade 14 spellpower for 8 crit rating, and you lose out on the arguably best setup of t8/t9.

I disagree with the robe being bis.

edit: You need to look over your math, and i said "the arguably best setup of t8/t9", not that you lose out on t8/t9.

Tronn · 10/06/09, 6:29 AM

That's wrong. [Malfurion's Vestments of Triumph] updated to [Merlin's Robe] will provide +18 SP, -10 Spirit, -8 Crit. So what's better ... 18 SP or 10 Spirit + 8 Crit? and why should I lose 2T8/2T9? My setup is "T9: Helm, Legs / T8: Shoulders, Gloves / Merlin's Robe".

M� nze · 10/06/09, 7:36 AM

I disagree as well.Theres no way the Merlins Robe would be BiS.

My setup is "T9: Helm, Legs / T8: Shoulders, Gloves / Merlin's Robe".

You take gloves and pants with such a useless stat as Spirit,rather when t8 pants,t9 chest and Anub or Algalon gloves?
In my oppinion Merlin's Robe is a very good item,but not worth it for balance druids,just because our t9 chest it that good.
t9 chest + head,t8 pants + shoulder + Anub gloves ist the way to go.
alternatively you could also try: t9 chest + head,t8 hand + shoulders and Anub pants.some calculations must be done on this,i think.

Tronn · 10/06/09, 7:53 AM

Ah, ok. I didn't know the [Breeches of the Deepening Void] and they are *really* good because of the massive hit on them. Thanks for the hint. But nethertheless, my setup with the earlier mentioned gear values is still slightly better. The difference between T9.chest and Merlin's Robe is very slightly as well, but the chest is still better in my opinion.

Changing ...
- T9.chest againts Merlin's Robe: +18 DPS
- T9.gloves againts Handwraps (Anub): +9 DPS
- T9.legs againts Breeches: +12 DPS

I updated my sheet and added your setup of items.