I actually had [Legwraps of the Awakening] in mind.

I am aware of the thread and I have read it entirely. However, this is the gear I have to work with as of now. I changed guilds due to the guild's incapability to get passes any keepers on UL10/25. The new guild uses a loot system that wasn't fairable to newcomers and then got the GL got hacked. Getting new equipment as a result has been slow and painful. My new pieces have come from badge gear pretty much and I have a wish list and a plan to hopfully fix my problem.

For now I have decided to roll with the extra hit and not use balance of power (maybe not a bright idea losing the dmg reduction but it has been working). This leaves me with some points to play around with. My dps isn't a problem and depending on my movement hit over 6k and on pugs out dps moonkins more geared than myself.

So I know I don't have the cookie cutter build or the ideal pieces. However, I am not some idiot moonkin stacking hit. I am making the best of the hand that is dealt to me and hopefully I can get some more appropriate upgrades.

Good point to look into.

You could replace your current hit trinket with an old badge trinket like the Sundial, drop one point in BoP, and you'd have higher dps and still be way over the hit cap. Currently you are an "idiot moonkin stacking hit" whether you are aware of it or not.

I have a question regarding [Fetish of Volatile Power]. Most people have trashed this item and some of the people in my guild are not all too happy that I raid with it. I still think this is one of the best trinkets for moonkins though (unless you have [Scale of Fates], but this post isn't about my horrendous luck with drops) seeing as you can pop Starfall with it, and that, included with casting Wrath or such, has allowed me to build up that trinket relatively quickly, usually ~3 seconds.

Question is, is it still worth it to use that trinket, or should I just stick with Sundial?

I've ran in that problem a while back (I got lucky on the trinket, got it on our first run). The fire procs does a lot of damage (3% - 4% of my DPS), averaging 2.5k damage per proc. That is equivalent to our spell doing 833 more damage on a spell crit where you gain a mote. Having starfire's cast time go below 2 sec effectively our starfire's final damage by 416, which is a huge loss. You will need a lot of haste to even compensate for the loss damage, let alone increase your dps, if you go over haste soft cap.

As such, I've taken to roll on gear with crit / something else, trying to stay right at hit cap and below haste cap. crit/haste, crit/hit and even crit/spirit. I intend to get the Heroic version too, which will probably make haste a big dps loss stat until Icecrown and higher gear level comes out, where it will be possible to get to 700+ haste rating.

Note that since we're working on Anub 25 Heroic, mana is a bitch (Hurricane spam on only 4-5 means omen of clarity doesn't proc every hurricane), I don't mind the extra spirit atm. Doing it with 3/3 Intensity and 1/3 Dreamstate, and when I need to BR someone and give off my innervate I'm still short on mana when we enter P3.

On a side note, I'm getting closer to crit soft cap. Once where I was over 100% crit on starfire my starfire didn't crit on the boss (all the buffs were there, including lunar eclipse). Does anyone know if we need more than 100% crit to guarantee a crit on a lvl 83 target, the same way tanks need 102.4% avoidance (and not 100%) to guarantee a block from a lvl 83 mob ?

The problem I have with [Fetish of Volatile Power] is that you have to stack it. Since Wrath is pretty much hit capped as it is the only time you would use it is with lunar eclipse and starfire. Being very generous lets assume an average 1.7 second cast time on Starfire. Without lag it will take you 13.6 seconds to stack it up. Lunar Eclipse is only 15 seconds long and if you use WiseEclipse then your probably switching to Wrath as soon as its done.

Basically there isn't an effective way for moonkin to use this trinket. I guess you could pop it as your casting Wrath to proc Lunar, but your relying on RNG to make it useful. There are just a lot of better options out there, and not all of them are difficult to get.

The trinket lasts 20 seconds, and your eclipse only lasts 15 - you pop it before you're done with solar. It's usually full stacked by the start of Lunar - RNG can screw you out of some time occasionally, but you usually get 10+ seconds of full-stacked haste. It's not the best trinket out there, but it's certainly better than you make it out to be.

There's just no way any setup that includes T8 helm or gloves is going to be optimal. That said, the good gloves come off anub 25, which you may not have access to. I would be surprised if a set with T9 hat/chest/gloves and T8 legs/shoulders didn't handily beat the one you describe though.


Given the extent to which sp beats other dps stats for us I'd be surprised if a trinket without any static or proc beat one with it.

From what I've looked at myself, the best set up is t8 shoulders and gloves, t9 head and chest, with the legs off of 25 anub'arak.

but I have another question. I received [Reign of the Dead] today, but my Starfire cast time is around 1.9 seconds in 25 man. I'm thinking of replacing [Abyssal Rune] with [Talisman of Resurgence] seeing as it's the most available item for me right now. Is it worth it to spend my badges on that or should I hold out for a different trinket?

Gloves? Helm I can see, but the gloves are a smaller sacrifice than going with T8 legs, leaving you to get the [Legwraps of the Awakening] which are quite impressive. This was discussed a little bit back.

You could just take [Sundial of the Exiled]?