Moonkin Raiding - Page 155

Calmwind · 11/02/09, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dowscasta

..... on the Target dummies in IF I have been able to pull up a rather decent 7.2K - 7.5K DPS relatively easy following that rotation. The problem I have is in Raids currently only ToC 10/25 and ToGC 10/25 are problematic and giving me sub 4.5K DPS results, I understand that movement, situaltional awareness and other uncontrollable items decrease DPS but to drop it more than 3K from testing seems rather unlikely. Would anyone here know what I might be doing (Wrong as it seems) that is dropping my DPS that much from Tests to Raids?

Any help in the matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

P.S. I do keep track of your posts as they progress and have used them to my advantage whenever they proved fit to do so.

It seems somewhat suspect that you would be able to do 7.5k dps in that gear, unless you had full raid buffs. I don't doubt that if you have a dps tracker that shows current dps to be 7.5k in an eclipse cycle, but over an entire mana bar i bet it drops down closer to your 4.5k raid dps.

nesf · 11/02/09, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Vladierk

my spec seems right. I know I need to change the one trinket out for the Abyssal Rune for more haste. When I raid, I use Frost Wyrm and +40 haste food. I just can not get past 3.2k DPS. No matter what. I run Squawk Hard. I keep my IS,FF and MF up. Wrath till proc and then bounce back and forth at procs. Mana is normally not an issue unless the rest of the group is horrific dps. What am I doing wrong? I am 3 badges from getting the Conquest chest for the bonus.

Well honestly your gear has a lot of room for improvement (not a criticism, just stating facts). Your dps will improve substantially as you get to the haste cap. You're using two trinkets that give the same temporary proc so you'll see a large improvement when you get Abyssal Rune. You're under the hit cap by a fair amount which will also negatively affect your dps. Right now you're gearing far too much for crit.

Focus on getting 2T8, getting to the Haste cap, getting hit capped, getting Abyssal Rune and only then worry a lot about your dps. I'd honestly guess that 3.2K raid dps is probably reasonable given your gear right now but that's just off the top of my head. If you want a better answer download Rawr and look at your theoretical dps (make sure you've all the applicable raid buffs checked on the raid tab!) and then compare that to your real dps (bearing in mind that theoretical dps is "perfect conditions" dps and real raid dps will be a good bit lower for most people).

If you don't know why I'm telling you to stack haste, what the haste or hit caps are or are confused by anything else read the TTT article here: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/

Vladierk · 11/03/09, 9:51 AM

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Beargarden · 11/03/09, 11:44 AM

I just wanted to check if my math was right. According to the TTT Moonkin thread, we should add 23% crit for starfire to our current crit rating to get our chance for starfire to crit. Now if that is true, then we should aim for 42% crit rating while in moonkin form to where we can drop our 2T8 and still have a the crit cap during lunar eclipse.

Now even though I'm pretty sure that that is correct, for some reason rawr is still showing it as a dps loss. Am I missing something here or am I just an idiot who got the numbers all wrong?

nesf · 11/03/09, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Beargarden

I just wanted to check if my math was right. According to the TTT Moonkin thread, we should add 23% crit for starfire to our current crit rating to get our chance for starfire to crit. Now if that is true, then we should aim for 42% crit rating while in moonkin form to where we can drop our 2T8 and still have a the crit cap during lunar eclipse.

Now even though I'm pretty sure that that is correct, for some reason rawr is still showing it as a dps loss. Am I missing something here or am I just an idiot who got the numbers all wrong?

Are you factoring in 2T8's bonus to Wrath Eclipses in your napkin math? You're losing a substantial amount of dps there when you drop 2T8.

Beargarden · 11/03/09, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by nesf

Are you factoring in 2T8's bonus to Wrath Eclipses in your napkin math? You're losing a substantial amount of dps there when you drop 2T8.

I was thinking even though you'd gain 5% to your Solar Eclipses through 2T8, wouldn't the 4T9 set bonus of +4% of damage done by Wrath be almost enough to make up for that?

nesf · 11/03/09, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Beargarden

I was thinking even though you'd gain 5% to your Solar Eclipses through 2T8, wouldn't the 4T9 set bonus of +4% of damage done by Wrath be almost enough to make up for that?

You gain 15% extra damage to your Solar Eclipses through 2T8, not 5%.

Beargarden · 11/03/09, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by nesf

You gain 15% extra damage to your Solar Eclipses through 2T8, not 5%.

god damn I really have to slow down when I look at shit. For some reason I just thought since I got 5% more crit from Starfire through 2T8, that I got 5% more damage through Wrath in 2T8. thanks for the catch man, it makes sense now why that'd be a loss in dps in some ways.

Doggill · 11/05/09, 4:57 PM

Hey there,

i started raiding in ToC as a moonkin and I never got the chance to get 2P T8. I raided as feral through Ulduar and only have the pants from a VoA run.

I am curious to how much my dps would increase if I was to go ahead and try to get in a PUG run for the gloves to get the 2P bonus? Here is a link to my armory and a World of logs from lasts weeks ToC runs. I am normally very competitive with the other dpsers.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

The World of Warcraft Armory

I know my trinkets choice is bad but the 150 SP I can't pass up until [Reign of the Dead] drops. Also I am still diligently trying to get an Eye of the broodmother.

Royalite · 11/05/09, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Doggill

I know my trinkets choice is bad but the 150 SP I can't pass up until [Reign of the Dead] drops. Also I am still diligently trying to get an Eye of the broodmother.

Originally Posted by nesf

Get [Abyssal Rune].

The 150 SP from your trinket is not going to compare to 590 SP proc from the Rune.

Doggill · 11/05/09, 6:31 PM

I am not really concerned with trinkets right now. I don't really need the haste and I hate depending on equip procs mostly because they can go off at bad times and I may get very little use out of it. As soon as the ones I want drop ill have them I am next in line for reign and we do algalon every week in 10 man for dark matter so I usually get to down Razor for a chance at the eye.

I was just curious about the 2P T8. From what I have read on here its something I should seriously look into I guess. Too bad the guild I am in doesn't step foot in Ulduar anymore.

Ill probably just buy the chest with conquest badges

Gaarok · 11/06/09, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Doggill

Ill probably just buy the chest with conquest badges

Yes, it really seems a good idea.
You should see a nice improvement in DPS with 2T8, whatever chest you replace for it.

Edit : I can see you actually got it, good choice

Originally Posted by Doggill

I am not really concerned with trinkets right now. I don't really need the haste and I hate depending on equip procs mostly because they can go off at bad times and I may get very little use out of it.As soon as the ones I want drop ill have them I am next in line for reign and we do algalon every week in 10 man for dark matter so I usually get to down Razor for a chance at the eye.

If you are as unlucky as I am, it could take a painfully long time to get them.
Abyssal Rune is a very strong one, and fairly easy to get as you can chain clean normal Trial of the Champion to get it.
Do you always raid with Wrath of Air Totem ? If not, you could really use the haste from this trinket too.

Doggill · 11/06/09, 6:00 PM

I replaced Tier 9 triumph chest with it, I saw an improvement on the dummy by about 300 dps. I did roughly 5800 dps over 5 minutes.

and yes I am extremely unlucky with trinkets yet another week and neither reign or eye dropped. Ill get the one from ToC 5 man and see how it works out. Seems like trinkets is the hardest thing to upgrade for any caster.

We always have one of each shaman and two resto shamans. If the ele shaman cant make it one of the resto shamans goes elemental. If anything I can see what I have to swap out for the increased haste and add more crit.

Edit: I picked up the Rune and I was able to get my dps on the dummy up to 6k Thanks for the advice.

freakishly · 11/07/09, 4:46 PM

I like many others am struggling on my DPS.
Sometimes its fantastic, sometimes its not so.
I've read the post under boomkin dps, and I do most all of that.. so I am really not sure what else I can do, tbh.

Is there anything I can do via gear to try and help?
I am regularly at 5k dps, but would like, and should be, higher.

Im in the process fo getting 2pT9, but having to wait on trophies for it.
Ill be replacing the chest (as that is the best upgrade from what i ahve, to me anyhow) to get it.

I know i need trinkets, but they only drop so often, and the loot system is difficult. and I've got the dagger out of 10m toc, just waiting on a decent offhand t drop, then will be replacing the staff, i still have the offhand in my bank from the heroism badges...

Doggill · 11/07/09, 7:37 PM

just briefly checking over your armory, there has been suggestions to other people throughout this that can also help you. the 2 piece bonuses from both tier 8 and 9 would help a lot.

You are also a bit high on hit maybe swap some stuff out for more crit or spell power.

i would say swap out your boot enchant for Tuskarr's vitality its a nice movement speed increase, the longer you have to move as a moonkin the more your dps drops so the faster you get there the better.

Like everyone says though use wise eclipse mod and quartz casting bars with the eclipse addon or squawk and awe. I like the quartz one myself.

Also the professions you have don't do a whole lot for your dps. I am not sure how seriously you take your raiding but you may want to switch to tailoring/Jewelcrafting for a bit more spell power and the enchant to your cloak from tailoring is the best in game for casters.

Other tips keep Force of nature and starfall on CD when you can. Move when you have too and move fast. I suggest refreshing dots or using typhoon while you move if possible.

Make macros for targeting,

Use hot keys for at least starfire and wrath.

This one may just be me but sometimes you may get screwed on trying to proc your solar eclipse and you can go the whole CD or your lunar and not get one starfire crit. It is rare but that happens even at high crit rate. I tend to stop casting starfire and go back to wrath to proc lunar again. RNG for eclipse can really get on your nerves.

I have only seen above 7k dps on a stand and burn fight like Koralon or Emalon. In heroic ToC 25 man I have been able to get to 6500 on beasts and Lord J. Its all about being on the ball with your reaction and moving as little as possible. Also remember that you get a huge threat reduction so you can normally go all out from the get go.