Could some of you guys with the Neiblung post parses of a raid where you are using it. I'm not thrilled with the idea of introducing more rng into my rotation, but it's a really cool weapon that I haven't seen much analysis on.

Thank you for clarifying... and after investigating you are absolutely correct: there isn't a weapon that is clearly designed for us. In previous patches we've seen some indication that blizzard isn't exactly offering boomkin-niche gear. Makes you wonder if that's intentional, no? I wonder if any other class specs are having a similar problem.

I really don't think this is boomkin specific. In TOC 10 there were "caster DPS itemized" weapons. There do not seem to be any in ICC that have been discovered. Anything we'd want to use would be good for shadow priests, elemental shaman, mages and locks. No one really wants spirit, and there is so much hit on other items that it's not particularly useful to throw a lot onto a weapon. Especially not a staff where the stats get inflated so much.

An interesting bug in Rawr brought this to my attention, and I thought I'd bring it up here for you guys to discuss. In the Rawr model, effective mana usage is calculated by taking the mana spent in one full "rotation" (lunar to lunar) and subtracting the amount of mana recovered from JoW, Moonkin Form mana returns, and Omen of Clarity procs. The bug that was discovered happened when the user had enough intellect and crit to cause the mana gained to be more than the total mana spent - that is, the rotation was mana positive. It got me thinking: Is it possible to have enough intellect to be net mana positive in a fight? What would be the benefits and drawbacks of gearing to have a permanently full blue bar without any talented or external mana regen?

An issue I have been having is trying to figure out at this point is what stat is most important after hitting the haste soft cap. Most of the threads I have been reading say spellpower till ur spellpower is high. but what exactly is high enough spellpower to start focusing on crit. Self buffed (MotW) I sit at 2672sp and 27.55% crit. And I think the low crit is hurting my dps.

I was also wondering how much rng has to do with my dps issue as I can go sometimes casting starfire till I'm blue in the face and not proc a solar and vice versa. How much of this has to do with rng and how much of it has to do with my crit issue. Just really trying to figure out what direction to go now that I'm hit capped and have hit the haste soft cap. (351 hit / 511 haste).

Edit.. Druid name is Jâger same realm and guild if anyone tries to look at my char.

My sig, #2-3.

e: In your case, probably #0 as well.

With the change to 2pct8 what is the new soft crit cap calculation? With or without buffs?

EDIT: Found this 15 seconds after asking it. For anyone wondering:

Will all talents/buffs except Focus Magic, this occurs at 1575.5 - Int/3, where Int is the int from your Armory value (1254.2 - Int/3 if using 2T8).

Complements of Arawethion's Guide: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-m...updated_3_3_a/

It wouldn't be constantly full but the Lunar cycle would refill it to full while the wrath crits would do a great job of maintaining a high mana pool. As it is now I'm on the verge of getting starfires that give me back mana on crits which with the ICC gear is very very easy to do.

hello,
i was not playing the game for some time.. my gear was full t7.5.. 3 days ago i started playing again, everybody was t8/9 but even then, i could compete with them in damage meter.. now i started to change to t9 and now I have 4 piece set.. but i dont feel much improvement to my dps.. still competing, but i expected more from that gear upgrade.. is there a problem with me? is there something I missed when I wasn't playing?

I was going thur gear last nite and i found we are going to soft cap Crit (1575 - int/3) and Haste( 401 haste rating) real easy so i came up with this for the teir set up.

If your are going for 4pce T10 go for helm, chest, legs and gloves and for the shoulders get the resto shoulders

Why the resto shoulders? [Sanctified Lasherweave Pauldrons] over [Sanctified Lasherweave Mantle]

Yes they have no haste and less crit but they have more SP, (26.4 more in raid)

Remember this is for when u Soft cap Haste and Crit so we are really just looking for more SP at this point.

I did base this all off 264 Gear and down

I tried building a BIS list, using items available from ICC normal, focusing mainly on getting more crit. This is just the initial list, and there are a few things to keep in mind:

- I followed gem colors in the BIS list. I did not take socket bonusses or the meta gem into account.
- I wanted to make sure we got the Ashen Verdict (Exalted) ring into the fray. I don't know the uptime on the proc, but i think its safe to assume that we will want it.
- I did not consider crafted items.
- Stats are without talents, buffs and outside moonkin form.
- Base stats not included

After posting this on MMO-champion, we had a bit of talk about the soft crit cap, which I completely forgot to take into account. With the gear in my preliminary list, I would be about 6% over the crit cap, and I've been trying to decide how haste and crit weigh against each other after 42% crit raidbuffed.

I suppose haste really hinges on how much is needed to squeeze in another starfire during lunar eclipse. The number i arrived at was 712 haste rating, assuming no lag, which would put starfires at a 1,75 sec cast time (Calculations here). We would need a bit more to account for lag, and I did the calculations from the assumption that we have 14 seconds of pure casting (so I disregarded dots for this instance).

At the same time, stacking crit will benefit wrath, and out of eclipse starfires. Critting wraths are only a few thousand damage away from a critting starfire. The real question is what is more beneficial to stack after both caps are reached. On one hand we could stack crit (and according to my spreadsheet, we could gain some ~8% crit, 6% over the cap), or we could stack haste and get to about 850 haste while still being soft crit capped (this was the results another user came up with).

I can't do the math for this, but I think the most immediate results would come from continuing to stack crit past the soft crit cap, and then perhaps it would be more worthwile to switch to haste once you are able to reach 712+ and still be crit capped.

Pro haste:
More haste, even if we cannot get another starfire in during eclipse, would allow for faster starfires after eclipse, which would assist in proccing solar eclipse faster.
More haste means more starfire crits for our tier 10 4-piece bonus.

Pro crit:
More crit outside of eclipse allows for faster eclipse procs after both eclipse's.
More crit means more big starfire crits with our tier 10 4-piece bonus.

What is your take on this?