I'm pretty frustrated on the whole tier upgrade deal...
I'm currently wearing 4pc tier 9(245). My off peice is gloves from anub (cloth 245).

My best upgrade from what I can see is the pants, I gain SOOO much crit from them BUTTT I'm sure the new voa boss is going to come out soon and the pants will probably drop from him, which is why I'm frustrated.... should I just settle with the shoulders (because they won't drop from voa) and after that work toward another piece that can't drop from voa? or should I got with Pants and then shoulders?

Also, I can go straight to 261 tier piece (I have a token).

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I ran VoA every week since the 3rd boss was releases and have yet to see T9 245 legs (or gloves) drop so if your luck anywhere as bad as mine I'd say don't worry too much about VoA drops and instead get the piece that makes more sense (legs in your case).

I disagree with your interpretation of the blizz statements on these things. The impression I got is that, in the future, they will be trying to use procs on many weapons to make them more interesting but for the time being they just suck at balancing them. Bryntroll proc is an obvious example, being a reliable 7%+ of damage for a DK or pally, easily trumping the stats it replaces. If they had randomly decided Nibelung needed a 3% proc rate instead it would be a pretty amazing weapon I think. I think right now they're just pulling numbers out of the air for a lot of this stuff. Looking at the numbers on the valkyr, 1% proc, 30 seconds, 1050-1200 damage per cast; None of those numbers screams "this was balanced against 134 haste rating and 142 crit rating" to me, just numbers someone picked that seemed about right (though, as far as I can tell, they weren't).




Before searching EJ for Nibelung, I goofed around with it a little on the dummy and on a sample that was not statistically significant I was under 1% just looking at casts, with dot ticks it would be way under. As a result, after reading this I felt like doing a little testing on it, since it would drastically affect the usefulness of the proc, especially for classes like shadowpriests or afflic locks with their new hasted dots, but also us with 4T10.

What I've been doing is moonfire followed immediately by insect swarm on the target dummy, then read a little EJ on the other screen until they fall off, keeping an eye open for a proc (they're hard to miss). I did 2000 dot ticks with 0 procs that I would attribute to the ticks. I have procced 5 valkyr, but they were all just as I was applying dots. It's probably possible that they procced from the first tick of moonfire, but I think that is unlikely, and even if you remove the first tick of each dot from the sample (statistically acceptable, I think, but feel free to correct me on that) it doesn't change the conclusion much. I don't think dot ticks are proccing it. By extension, I wouldn't expect 4T10 ticks to proc it either, though the application of 4T10 may.

Also, on a boss level target the thing misses quite a bit, it's clearly not inheriting hit from us.


It's annoying to add something so RNG to a class that can already experience some pretty big swings, but after I got done dot testing I spammed wrath for a mana bar and procced 5 valkyr, having 3 up at once at one point, which was pretty cool and did a lot of damage.

I wouldn't swap the thing for my 245 enlightenment at any point. The extra spell power on it closes most of the stat gap according to my rawr, with the proc only needing to compensate for about 80 haste rating, and that's while still under the crit softcap.

Got my 264 pants yesterday,had to swap anub 25 gloves with t9 gloves to maintain the 4pct9 bonus but it was still an upgrade,got ~1,5% crit without loosing other stats,definitely worth it.And as you said,pants are way more an upgrade than the shoulders.
next step for me would be the shoulders->leather belt ->cloth hands,till then i would just stick with anub 25er gloves and hope to get the hardmode ones,since they are also realy good itemized and are just a small downgrade to the 264 emblem of frost gloves.

This is why I'm nervous about getting t10 pants... =/

It depends imho,as i allready said you could alternatively get [Gloves of False Gestures] as nonset piece which are better than the t10 gloves and have also an additional socket.I used this compartion to determine which combination is better.So its basicaly haste vs crit/hit and time you are willing to wait,since you can craft the legs more or less now,if you have anought gold for mats.On the other hand you have to wait anleast 2weeks or more to buy the gloves since everyone is going for 2pcT10 first.

That's what I'm doing. My reasoning was that, since neither slot has a non-spirit, non-hit 277 upgrade, I'd rather have the slot with less "itemization points" (if you want to call it that) be one to plan for a 277 spiritful upgrade.

What i looked up quickly probably the best way to go is pants offset [Kilt of Untreated Wounds] for example those from Festergut.
Yet then again they arent that much of a upgrade from anub HC pants [Legwraps of the Awakening]
and since hit is so easy to get around from rings necks.

[Leggings of Woven Death] is another good option imo if you have either the gold or resources to obtain [Primordial Saronite]'s.

Has anyone done the math on 2t10 on fights that are heavier in AoE? I would assume the bonus is even more worthwhile on fights that demand a significant amount of AoE considering how much omen procs with hurricane.

Also, as far as the tier pieces go, there are no caster bracers, leather or cloth, that don't have hit on them from ICC. Between the rep ring, t10 legs/gloves, that already puts you at hit cap with a draenei. So it is quite obvious that, the best item to drop, is going to be the legs, as far as flexibility is concerned.

Crafted 264 legs may be the ideal BiS use, outside of tier. They are also the most accessible, as time goes by. Similarly, I haven't looked at boots, but I don't think boots have many options either.

Ring(51), Lady's Brittle Bracers(52), tier gloves(82), That would be 185, 52 away from draenei cap on three items. You will only need 1 more piece of loot with hit if you are alliance, and, potentially, if horde. It would be a waste to go siginificantly over 280 in gear if there are alternatives + gemming that could be the alternative.

Therefore, I would think that the legs would be the best to drop for alliance with a draenei, and horde would possibly go legs, to make up the 25 or so hit needed to be capped, as that is almost the exact difference between the hit on gloves/legs.

I'm pretty sure he meant bracers without hit and also without spirit, in which case I believe he is correct. We're still missing Arthas's loot table, but barring any drops from him, I know that I will be trying to fit in [The Lady's Brittle Bracers].