I'm just curious, but what gear/trinkets were you using when you tested Nibelung on the dummy. Can the Valkyr proc off of Reign of the Dead shards or pillars? I think I can imagine a situation where you could get more or fewer Reign procs from spamming one spell or another due to the differences in cast time. Although, I suppose it is hard to believe that would account for the 5 fold increase in procs per cast (0.3->1.5 extra percent excluding the 1% extra from E&M). Another random idea is that Blizzard might have implemented a mechanic so that the proc chance would increase with the base cast time of a given spell, but that too is hard to judge without knowing your gear setup.

Regardless given your data and assuming you haven't respecced since your testing, I think we can rule out it proccing off of Nature's Grace since you spec into NG in your resto spec (and get exactly 1% proc chance there).


A related question, since Nibelung does indeed seems to proc off applications of E&M: if an unholy DK puts up Ebon Plaguebringer (or curse of elements) on a target before we get E&M on a target, can we still apply E&M? If we can't, will we still see the elevated proc chance?

Another idea is that the starfire glyph is increasing its proc chance.

This is a good possibility. Anyone want to test Starfire in Resto spec (no E&M or Glyph) and Starfire with E&M, but not Glyph?

E&M with Ebon Plague on the target would be handy too.

Should need like 1000 casts for pretty good resolution to see what's going on.

Edit : Ignore this post.

First session of test on dummy with Nibelung (had to stop because of maintenance, more datas to come)

I unequiped anything that can proc to assure best conditions (rep ring, cloak, Reign, 2p T10). I also didn't take OoC. I had the MF glyph but since I didn't use MF it should not be of relevance.
I used an unoccupied lvl 80 dummy in Darnassus and spammed SF while joining the floodfest on the /2.

Test 1 (in caster form) :

• Nature's grace = NO
• Moonkin form = NO
• E&M = NO
• OoC = NO

SF : 1000 casts / 32.2% crit / 5 321 326 dmg done
Valkyr : 14 procs / 17.0 casts average / 0% crit / 401 783 dmg done

Test 2 (in Moonkin form) :

• Nature's grace = NO
• Moonkin form = YES
• E&M = NO
• OoC = NO

SF : 1000 casts / 36.8% crit / 7 188 788 dmg done
Valkyr : 12 procs / 17.0 casts average / 0% crit / 344 242 dmg done

Test 3 (in Moonkin form):

• Nature's grace = YES
• Moonkin form = YES
• E&M = NO
• OoC = NO

SF : 1000 casts / 36.5% crit / 7 154 086 dmg done
Valkyr : 19 procs / 17.0 casts average / 0% crit / 545 462 dmg done

I don't want to jump to conclusions considering it's only 1k casts samples but NG may have an impact on the proc. I will probably double check with another 1k casts in the same conditions as Test 3 tomorrow.

I will also try to get a friendly DK to put Ebon Plague for a testing after my NG+Moonkin form+E&M session. Stay tuned.


Edit : After rereading the results I do wonder why I would only gain 4.5%~ crit when casting in Moonkin form, since I should get a raw +5% and a bit more due to the +10% Int (Furor).

Ugh, it's hard to pick out something this fine at such a low proc rate. That suggests it's Nature's Grace, but then my test above in my Resto spec (which had NG) is anomalous. But it's all within error bars still, just need to heap on more data.

Were you shooting at a level 80 dummy? 1688 average Smite is exactly what I expect to see without E&M, but without level-based partial resists.

Yup, lvl 80 dummy with no E&M.. I could swear I saw some Smite crit when running heroic instances but the crit chance seems to be really low on lvl 80 targets (I don't think I saw any crit on bosses).
I am positive it was able to crit prior to the last patch, almost positive it still can.. Just very low crit rate.

With any chance I will have similar results when doing another 1000 casts in Test 3 conditions. I think we can use Test 1 and 2 as a 2000 casts with similar conditions.

Well I guess it's because you can mesure the dps gain given by Furor (because as you said it gives some spell power and crit, along with mana regen - which is almost irrelevant but still), when you can't really mesure the dps given by a talent that reduce pushback.

There are very few fights when you will be consistantly interrupted while casting, and since NF only affect Wrath (for us), that's not a huge issue considering that most of us are gcd-capped on it, so a small delay usually won't be of any relevance.
However, if we do have major pushback issues in some fights in the future it may be the way to go.

Nibelung crits: it's because of Totem of Wrath and/or Imp. Scorch (not sure if both work) on raid targets, which you don't have on a target dummy.

Nature's Focus: you could probably make a case for it with all the damage going around in ICC. Furor and Imp. GotW are both very small DPS increases. I guess you'd keep Imp. GotW just in case you ever need it for the buff (rare since all Resto and Feral specs include it).

Any idea how much of a DPS buff this is? From what I've noticed from ICC parses, moonkins tend to be very very low compared to other proper dps classes.

Second session of test on dummy with Nibelung (still more to come).

Exact same conditions as before.

Test 4 (in Moonkin form) :

• Nature's grace = YES
• Moonkin form = YES
• E&M = NO
• OoC = YES

SF : 1000 casts / 39.0% crit / 7 309 014 dmg done
Valkyr : 19 procs / 17.105 casts average (+2) / 0% crit / 548 420 dmg done

Test 4b (in Moonkin form) :

• Nature's grace = YES
• Moonkin form = YES
• E&M = NO
• OoC = YES

Wrath : 1000 casts / 36.8% crit / 3 961 161 dmg done
Valkyr : 11 procs / 17.455 casts average (+5) = / 0% crit / 323 523 dmg done

Not sure why Wraths get less procs.. Since I got OoC and it didn't seem to have any effect on SF, I would guess that OoC may have a negative effect on procs (maybe not counting spells casted with OoC?), since Wrath have more chances to proc OoC (OoC procs normalized on 1sec hits). Anyway it's quite a moot point since we cannot spec out of OoC as soon as we have 2pT10.
And it's quite a hazardous guess here anyway.

One interesting event : proced 2 Valkyrs with one SF crit (which would seems to further validate the theory about NG procing the valkyr)