What kind of lag are you guys seeing for these 5k parses? On Mal'ganis I'm getting horrible latency and trying to decide how much of it is me being bad and how much is my starfires taking 4 seconds to cast. Moving the latency numbers in Wrath Calcs moves me from an expected 4900 dps to an expected 3900 dps if I go from 200ms lag to 700ms lag. I think 700 is probably on the low end for MG until about 10 pm, too.

Well, with spellqueueing, your "latency" should never be as high as your ping, though it gets harder to effectively spellqueue the higher your ping anyway, especially when you're in the Force-proc phase of Eclipse. I wished I'd actually been able to make Patch within the last couple weeks so I'd be able to give an idea of what my ping/DPS looked like (ironically, this week I dropped out just before Patch to reboot my router because of ping issues, and got trapped in the queue).

Getting 5k on Mal'ganis on a Tuesday night is very difficult. On the weekend it's pretty easy. Nights other than Tuesday don't seem to bad in my opinion though

Havent read this forum for a while, But it seems all these top WWS parses happened on the 20/21/22/23 Jan during the Misery bug, if you go to wowmeters and look up the charts for all casters it seems all new records were set on the same day, depending where you are in the world, I dont believe these parses should be used, I myself broke some personal records that day and some would have made 1st on wowmeters as well, However due to that bug I probably wont ever see those results again untill im in T8.

From asking around and viewing multiple forums my dps seems to be lower than it should. I feel that I should be pushing around 4k dps with my current spec and gear.

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WWS Loading... 3Drake OS

WWS Loading... 3Drake OS 1/2
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I know OS requires moving around and will hinder some of my DPS. But im not seeing lower numbers in OS only. I will try and post some 25man Naxx and Maly

Current rotations:
IS,MF, wrath to proc eclipse, then SF unless MF needs refreshed, once Eclipse is down but still on internal CD, IS, wrath, once this is up. I start the rotation over. I either cast FF +treants, or Starfall at the begining or end of a rotation given they are up.

Please give any hints or suggestions as to what im doing wrong.

There really is little point attempting to judge DPS on anything but patchwerk. All other bosses have far too many variables and especially with 3 drakes, your DPS could probably differ by 700/800 or so depending on firewalls and treants don't often survive any longer than a few seconds there either.

With your gear I would say you should be able to pull 4K on patchwerk, though to improve you should probably gem to reach the hit cap also your rotation seems fine apart from "once Eclipse is down but still on internal CD, IS, wrath", use SF instead of wrath.

Yes, 9% is correct for alliance, I would personally choose to cap it with gems incase you die and get combat ressed or something - but if you are using the food it should be fine.

Aside from that, wait for patchwerk and try using SF instead of wrath. If you are still doing less DPS than you think you are doing, are you definitely receiving all possible buffs (http://raidcomp.mmo-champion.com/)? Aside from some possible problems with latency and therefore not making the most out of eclipse, I have no idea what the problem could be.

I have used the SF during the internal CD for my rotation and didnt notice much of a difference, but was told that wrath was more mana conserv. I thought SF was more mana eff, but the person telling me this put out more dps than me so Ive been using the wrath rotation. I will attempt the SF rotation next during patch, since guild ran first 2 wings without me this week. As far as all raid buffs, I do believe so. Including mage spec for 10% crit for all casters, ele shaman, SP, a dreani, we have been lacking a ret pally due to personal problems. But all other slots are filled looking that mmo-champ link you posted.

The spellpower-to-haste breakpoint is currently around 1950 spellpower. At what point does the +16 haste gem take over the +19 spellpower gem in terms of DPS? And how does the +9 spellpower +8 haste rating fit into that equation?

Starfall getting a damage increase:

From: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Starfall Discussion

Um. No it's not. In fact, with about 500 Haste, it's around 2700 Spellpower (so about 2200+haste Spellpower). As for how that affects the gem weightings, it looks like Quick overtakes Runed at about 3500 Spellpower, again assuming 500 haste to start, or about 3000+haste spellpower. Reckless will overtake Runed a little earlier than that, as you're not missing out on as much Spellpower, relatively.

----- Thanks so much for these calculations.. I was about to get on and research this very thing -- Justinin is now at 2870spellpower in 25mans.. (trinket fully activated, totems, flasks, blah blah). I've been wondering if he was getting close to this point.

It's interesting to see how close things seem to be getting though... Ulduar/post-ulduar may cap a few people... take care

22 man naxx, 6k patchwerk parse:

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treants do tons of damage

Your parse doesn't look right to me. 90% dps time on the tanks?

That parse is strange. It's showing a kill time of 3'54" with a DPS time of 2'30", out of an active presence of 2'50".

The first and last actions carried out by Patchwerk are:
02:06'12.590 Patchwerk attack was dodged by Devilheals.
02:08'44.819 Patchwerk melee swing hits Dureau for 5105 Physical. (1614 Blocked)
which gives an engaged time of approx 2'32".

The first and last damage done by Durotard to Patchwerk are:
02:06'12.564 Patchwerk is afflicted by Insect Swarm.
02:08'44.231 Durotard Starfire hits Patchwerk for 6997 Arcane.
which match up with the above dps time and engaged time.

The rest of it doesn't seem unreasonable. He always procced eclipse within a small period of time (5 casts of wrath at most, 3 casts on average). From looking at cast time on starfire and wrath, he has a very low latency (and there are no instances of damage being recorded twice for one spell or anything like that). His crit rate is slightly above expected for wrath and about right for Starfire.

As for calling it a 22 man kill - the majority of guilds use 5-6 healers while you're using 3+half there, which means there is little impact due to 'missing' players. A 2 minute 30 kill inflates treants/starfall/bloodlust compared to a longer fight.


In any case, I can't find anything wrong with the parse apart from the stated kill time / active presence (which have no impact on the DPS figure given). Overall damage is correct for Patchwerk. It's just a very well played parse with a bit of luck on eclipse, backed up by very good gear and a very little lag.

13,000,000 HP / 81354 Raid DPS = 150.9

So yeah, it is more like a 2'30" kill as opposed to 3'54" as has been mentioned.

WoW Meter Online

2:42 Patchwerk kill - 5554 dps - February 1st.

Everything was pretty perfect except I never used a haste potion, and I accidentally procced eclipse from a critting Starfire during bloodlust, so I lost the proc and continued using Starfire. Typically I still switch to wrath during bloodlust to proc Eclipse.

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Here's our last Patchwerk kill. I feel that I should be getting higher numbers than I am right now, but I'm unsure if it's because of my gear, lag, skill, or a combination of the above. I've been pushing 4.6k to 4.7k DPS the last couple of weeks now, and I'm getting a bit frustrated on how to improve.

I know that I screwed up a few things here:

1. 2 accidental Wrath Eclipse procs. I was trying the MF->IS->Wrath until eclipse->SF until timer is up rotation, and I accidentally let a couple of starfire crits go through after the timer was up. Previously, I've been using a Wrath->SF(eclipse)->wrath rotation.

2. No haste pot.

3. I am 1 point under Alliance hitcap. I just need to get a Rigid gem cut for my helm.

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There is our Patchwork kill from last night. My Hit Rating is not quite there, I'm tweaking that, and I just realized I forgot to switch to my "Hit" set before we went in. I have yet to get spellthread and have a few cheapo gems in there until I can switch them out, etc.

I was able to get the trees and starfire going twice in the fight, barely. I'm using the normal rotation, IFF, IS, MF, W till proc, SF through cooldown, refresh MF. I refresh IFF also when it goes.

I am just wondering, am I in the right ballpark here?

I'm a bit new to the WWS method here, and man am I grateful to the Bloodshot guys for posting all the data from our previous weeks' raids. I can see that on Patchwerk my moonfire is missing 10% of the time, so that's no good. One conclusion I am definitely coming to is that every week my character gets better, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything glaring.

I must say that parse really made me wonder cause I have almost identical gear and yet I so far managed only to do 4990 dps.

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So far I tend to think that I can't go over 5k because I lack the trinket from Sartharion but when I saw that 6k obviously without the trinket I'm out of ideas. Could lag have so much influence on my dps? On the note, I do spam SF and wrath button for the spell queueing.

Probably a combination of the time of the fight (his kill was over 2 minutes quicker meaning a much higher % uptime for bloodlust), some eclipse luck and latency.

i was just wondering something i have about 400haste and 10.25%hit rating. And 2200spell power raid buff. What is best rotation for me. I was reading this tread and so far i seen that most are using this. Moonfire, IS, wrath to get eclipse on starfire and then spam Starfire. Will this be good for me also? Eclipse is up for 15sec ( not counting lag ) and hidden CD is also 15sec. During that Cd should i continue to spam SF and then as CD is gotting close to 0 cast wrath to get eclipse again?

Thanks...