Yep!

So what do we think?

Worth keeping engineering?

The main thing I see from looking at tons of WWS reports is that every boom who seems to hit 5k on patch will typically be in a guild that can down patch 3 mins or less. Thus making bloodlust/heroism matter that much more in terms of raw dps. Shorten the fight even more, to say the 2'17" time frame, and then you get the crazy 5.8k numbers, because, again, bl/hero has a higher up time for the fight. Basically, 25% of the fight you're doing crazy damage, and most likely, starfires will be in the serious under 2sec range with nature's grace.

With the 470 base haste that I've got, Starfire is 1.9/1.6(NG) under Bloodlust with standard raid buffs (WoA/MK Aura). Chain critting Starfires while under Bloodlust is some 7-8k DPS on its own with that kind of cast speed.

Ashaera - remember that because the haste is useable, you can line it up with every other Eclipse proc, which should increase its value even further than just providing a "static" value.

There's also likely a breakpoint where the haste lets you get in one more shot during the eclipse period. This breakpoint would depend on current gear as well as reaction time.

Here's a question I feel like I should already know the answer to, is eclipse's effect determined when you start casting or when it fires? I would assume when you start.

Eclipse proccs on spellhit, so instant for Starfire, but delayed for Wrath.

You cant count JC as 39SP because you will use the gems on blue sockets. The text below is copied from mage forums not entirely up to date though.

Jewelcrafting: +59 spell power and -24 stamina (or -16 spirit) with rare gems. +49 spell power and -30 stamina (-20 spirit) when/if epic gems appear.
You can use Prismatic gems to unlock your meta gem requirement, allowing you to skip the two blue/purple coloured gems.
* Blacksmithing: +38 spell power with rare gems socketed, +46 spell power once/if epic gems get implemented.
Epic gems are in the database, but with placehlder icons. They may or may not get implemented at all.
* These two professions also have the advantage that you can chose which stat you want to improve by chosing gems.
If we ever reach the point where crit or haste beats spell power, we can switch to these gems.

* Inscription +37 spell power, +43 spell power in the first 2 months when not Exalted with Sons of Hodir (daily grind)

* Enchanting +38 spell power, Leatherworking +37 spell power, Alchemy +37 spell power

Ashaera, did you already upload your slow kill 5k+ parse or did I simply miss it? I would really like to have a look at it.

Expanding on Starfox's post:

Spell damage effects are calculated at two points:
- Personal effects (e.g. trinket procs or eclipse) are calculated at the point of releasing the cast; and
- Debuff effects (e.g. Earth and Moon) are calculated at the point of impact.

Both of these are obvious if you observe Wrath damage due to the travel time, but for Starfire they are the same point. Chain cast at a target dummy from maximum range without E&M active at the start and you'll find the first two or three wraths will hit for significantly less. Continue to chain cast, once a trinket procs observe the damage difference between the hit from the last cast released during the trinket proc, and the previous one that hit while the trinket was still active on you; the damage should be the same.

Spell crit effects (including debuffs) are calculated at the point of release, as shown through NG procs on Wrath casts.

I'm trying to figure out how to maximize my DPS. I just turned 80 last week, so my gear isn't where I want it to be at the moment. I have a lot more spell haste which is nice, but I prefer spell crit. In 25naxx, I'm usually between 6-12 on the charts, averaging about 2.4k DPS.

I don't have a cycle, but I have rules. I start off with IS, MF, than spam wrath till Eclipse procs, refreshing IS and MF when necessary. I try to keep IS and MF up at all times. When Eclipse procs, I spam SF for full duration, than refresh IS and MF, and spam SF for remainder of the eclipse CD, than rinse and repeat(My apologies if this was hard to understand).

Any tips on how to improve my DPS would be greatly appreciated.
Here is a link to my armory

I did not, the wws guy fucked tracking up. Stats was around 5.1k dps with expected crit % & while applying ff, fight duration atleast over 4miutes but exact duration I really cant remember anymore.
My only point is that 5k is not as time reliant as some people seem to think, but we dont exacly run 17man naxx that often im afraid.

Figured out why engineering looked so good in my above example - I was forgetting to remove the 28spellpower from the regular enchant, a proper estimation of profession values comes here.

JC (Now - 2x [Purified Twilight Opal]+1x[Runed Scarlet Ruby] into 3x [Runed Dragon's Eye] / Trading 37sp+16spi(2.6sp - rounding to 3) into 96sp - Gaining +56sp.) - 74.8dps
JC (Epic gems - 2x [Purified Dreadstone]+1x[Runed Cardinal Ruby] 47sp+20spi(3.3sp - again 3 for simplicity) into 96 sp - Gaining +46sp.) - 61.5dps
BS (38sp) - +50.8dps
BS (Epic gems - +46sp) - 61.5dps
Engi (+57 haste rating / -28spellpower) - 32.7dps.

This is using wrathcalc & stats 99% close to what my dream set before Ulduar looks like. Doesnt include heroism & trees which will favour SP further, but doesnt take the benefits of timing a "use" into account either.